Aircraft maint issues

Looking through the LUS M&R agreement. I do not see anything about line pay. I`ve heard this before that LUS does not differentiate between line and base AMTs. If this is accurate, I`m wondering how this will play in the LAA ranks? The other thing I noticed was the classification of an "Interior Mechanic" in the LUS CBA. I did not dig further to see if that classification was paid for both licenses. I`m thinking there are going to be plenty of LUS nuances we will not be happy with. I`m hearing the company is wanting to retain much of LAA bankruptcy language. Hoping that is not accurate, but with the way talks are dragging out. Who knows?
 
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dvlhog212 said:
Looking through the LUS M&R agreement. I do not see anything about line pay. I`ve heard this before that LUS does not differentiate between line and base AMTs. If this is accurate, I`m wondering how this will play in the LAA ranks? The other thing I noticed was the classification of an "Interior Mechanic" in the LUS CBA. I did not dig further to see if that classification was paid for both licenses. I`m thinking there are going to be plenty of LUS nuances we will not be happy with. I`m hearing the company is wanting to retain much of LAA bankruptcy language. Hoping that is not accurate, but with the way talks are dragging out. Who knows?
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I've also heard, but haven't checked yet that LUS AMTS don't need to take a line test when transferring from base (
dvlhog212 said:
Looking through the LUS M&R agreement. I do not see anything about line pay. I`ve heard this before that LUS does not differentiate between line and base AMTs. If this is accurate, I`m wondering how this will play in the LAA ranks? The other thing I noticed was the classification of an "Interior Mechanic" in the LUS CBA. I did not dig further to see if that classification was paid for both licenses. I`m thinking there are going to be plenty of LUS nuances we will not be happy with. I`m hearing the company is wanting to retain much of LAA bankruptcy language. Hoping that is not accurate, but with the way talks are dragging out. Who knows?
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I've also heard that LUS, but haven't checked yet doesn't have a line test like we do here at LAA. If that's true, I wonder if our line test will go away.
 
dvlhog212 said:
Looking through the LUS M&R agreement. I do not see anything about line pay. I`ve heard this before that LUS does not differentiate between line and base AMTs. If this is accurate, I`m wondering how this will play in the LAA ranks? The other thing I noticed was the classification of an "Interior Mechanic" in the LUS CBA. I did not dig further to see if that classification was paid for both licenses. I`m thinking there are going to be plenty of LUS nuances we will not be happy with. I`m hearing the company is wanting to retain much of LAA bankruptcy language. Hoping that is not accurate, but with the way talks are dragging out. Who knows?
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Line pay premium is only .55 cents per hour. I would rather see our base pay evened out with the title II mechanics - who currently are paid .80 cents per hour more in base pay than AMTs. That was all part of the TWUs wealth redistribution plan - to devalue the AMTs license pay by paying title II mechs a higher base rate. I'm sure the "interior mech" classification is somewhere along the lines as an OSM, SRP, or whatever the latest term is for similar positions. I listened to most of last Fridays conference call with Gary Peterson, and don't recall him mentioning anything about the company wanting to retain BK language.
 
Vortilon said:
Line pay premium is only .55 cents per hour. I would rather see our base pay evened out with the title II mechanics - who currently are paid .80 cents per hour more in base pay than AMTs. That was all part of the TWUs wealth redistribution plan - to devalue the AMTs license pay by paying title II mechs a higher base rate. I'm sure the "interior mech" classification is somewhere along the lines as an OSM, SRP, or whatever the latest term is for similar positions. I listened to most of last Fridays conference call with Gary Peterson, and don't recall him mentioning anything about the company wanting to retain BK language.
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Why in the world would your union want to devalue the AMT? Could you guys push your asso. to get on board with AMFA and support AMFA in some public way on the UP-valuing of the AMT's in our industry? Let's all get on the same boat and help AMFA push this thru to get the AMT's listed as "skilled labor" just like all the pilots are...

The Aircraft Maintenance Technician: Skilled or Unskilled? June 12, 2017 -- There is a misleading issue that permeates our craft and threatens to keep the focus away from moving forward if not addressed properly. Why isn’t the Aircraft Maintenance Technician (AMT) classified as skilled labor, and is instead classified as semi-skilled, or worse yet, unskilled labor? What, if anything, can be done about it? These questions are consistently brought up by our members, and are a battle cry by some who honorably seek professional recognition for the craft. Recently, the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) was made aware of an effort on Facebook to change this incorrect designation. As the union who faithfully promotes and represents the AMT, AMFA is keenly aware that our technicians work on highly complex aircraft and associated systems, requiring education, training, and government certification just to get started in the craft. The investment in these prerequisites, not to mention tools and other essential items, is easily tens of thousands of dollars or more. To be considered anything but skilled labor is demeaning to the craft and a slap in the face to the skilled professionals who comprise it, and regardless of the issue, AMFA will never stand idly by when our significance is challenged.
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swamt said:
Why in the world would your union want to devalue the AMT? Could you guys push your asso. to get on board with AMFA and support AMFA in some public way on the UP-valuing of the AMT's in our industry? Let's all get on the same boat and help AMFA push this thru to get the AMT's listed as "skilled labor" just like all the pilots are...

The Aircraft Maintenance Technician: Skilled or Unskilled? June 12, 2017 -- There is a misleading issue that permeates our craft and threatens to keep the focus away from moving forward if not addressed properly. Why isn’t the Aircraft Maintenance Technician (AMT) classified as skilled labor, and is instead classified as semi-skilled, or worse yet, unskilled labor? What, if anything, can be done about it? These questions are consistently brought up by our members, and are a battle cry by some who honorably seek professional recognition for the craft. Recently, the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) was made aware of an effort on Facebook to change this incorrect designation. As the union who faithfully promotes and represents the AMT, AMFA is keenly aware that our technicians work on highly complex aircraft and associated systems, requiring education, training, and government certification just to get started in the craft. The investment in these prerequisites, not to mention tools and other essential items, is easily tens of thousands of dollars or more. To be considered anything but skilled labor is demeaning to the craft and a slap in the face to the skilled professionals who comprise it, and regardless of the issue, AMFA will never stand idly by when our significance is challenged.
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heres how the twu works when we had our card drive . Title 2 overwhelmingly listened to the lies of the twu. And did not sign cards so the twu awarded them with more pay then amts . The twu I do not think they want us as skilled labor. There deal is a loaf of bread cost the same for everyone. The twu is not in it for the amts. they know there biggest group is fleet service so that's why they will always cater to them. They do not care that we are licensed are they we take legal responsibility for the work we do.look our new Intl president is a lineman that's good for local 100 the bus driver union .but is horrible for us licensed amts . I support AMFA efforts for this . This is way overdue
 
Vortilon said:
Line pay premium is only .55 cents per hour. I would rather see our base pay evened out with the title II mechanics - who currently are paid .80 cents per hour more in base pay than AMTs. That was all part of the TWUs wealth redistribution plan - to devalue the AMTs license pay by paying title II mechs a higher base rate. I'm sure the "interior mech" classification is somewhere along the lines as an OSM, SRP, or whatever the latest term is for similar positions. I listened to most of last Fridays conference call with Gary Peterson, and don't recall him mentioning anything about the company wanting to retain BK language.
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Remember that since Title2 has a higher base pay than we do if we get the same % raise they get more. I would be fine with taking three bucks from license pay and put it in base pay and keep $2 for both licenses. That way when we get a 3% raise we get more money.
 
Important Monitor and Challenge GPM Policy Change
Attention all Title I members:
Effective today, there is a change to GPM 13.19.3 A (Monitor and challenge policy). There will be 2 forms(checklists) required when accomplishing any type of Monitor and Challenge process, and will be required to be stamped and stapled to the paperwork. The forms will be 10127 and 10151.

When your ASAP committee went to the GPM section today, the link did not work, and we have filed an ASAP, and contacted the manager that owns the process. This being said, we would expect they’ll fix it in a day or 2, but any AMT accomplishing the slide work must request this of the person(manager or designee giving the briefing), prior to doing the work.
 
conehead777 said:
heres how the twu works when we had our card drive . Title 2 overwhelmingly listened to the lies of the twu. And did not sign cards so the twu awarded them with more pay then amts . The twu I do not think they want us as skilled labor. There deal is a loaf of bread cost the same for everyone. The twu is not in it for the amts. they know there biggest group is fleet service so that's why they will always cater to them. They do not care that we are licensed are they we take legal responsibility for the work we do.look our new Intl president is a lineman that's good for local 100 the bus driver union .but is horrible for us licensed amts . I support AMFA efforts for this . This is way overdue
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And for the exact reasons you state above, should get enough guys off their cans to get enough cards for a craft and class union to get in at AA, you guys really need it bad. This 2 part asso. is just like our 2 part adhesives, after a little time they are all dried up. Too much in fighting with these 2 opposite unions fighting for their language to be put into this JCBA.
 
June 16, 2017

Brothers & Sisters,

The Negotiating Committee met with American Airlines the week of June 12th, in Washington D.C. and continued negotiations on Classifications for M&R, and Promotions & Transfers, Recall, and Reduction in Force for Fleet Service among other contractual provisions. The Executive Committee was unable to reach full tentative agreements; however, progress was made in several areas, and language was agreed to in principle.

The Executive Committee, the M&R and Fleet Service Negotiating Committees continues to discuss open issues for the Articles, and why we are unable to reach tentative agreements on them. It is both disappointing and frustrating that the Company continues to make proposals that contain concessionary language that the Committees cannot accept; even when we provide counterproposals that American cannot disprove would meet their needs of service. While we all agree that progress is slowly being made, the Company still believes that we will make concessions just to reach an Agreement, which will never happen. We all want an expeditious end to negotiations, but we are not willing to simply bring back a substandard contract to get there. Our members deserve the best in the industry. Management has promised that, and so far they have failed to live up to their words.

We are all becoming more frustrated as these weeks go by, because the contract language that the Company has promised and committed to, has yet to fully materialize. The only way these negotiations will be expedited is if American Airlines management actually shows the commitment at the bargaining table they have continually promised to us; that is the industry’s best contracts for their employees.

Negotiations are scheduled to resume on the following weeks: July 17th & July 24th in Washington, DC.

Fraternally,

Fleet Negotiating Committee:

Mark Baskett William Fa Mike Fairbanks Tim Hughes

Steve Miller Tim Murphy Pat Rezler Art Risley

Andre Sutton Rodney Walker Bill Wilson


Mechanic and Related/Stores Committee:

Jason Best Mike Bush Ken Coley John Coveny

Dale Danker Mark Huffman Bennie Martino Gary Peterson

Rollie Reaves Sean Ryan Jay Sleeman Mark Strength
 
Never gonna happen. Guys are not paying attention. All they want is USAIR parity on VC, pay, holidays and doubletime for O/T.
I doubt most will read the JCBA when it gets done. Many are looking for an early out package. Those are Yes votes as long as they get the early out. Maybe something will happen in about 452 days or so.
 
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