Aircraft maint issues

[swamt]

Swampy you remember when SWA lost the arbitration and our Dispatchers made out, because they won, when they were compared to UPS Dispatchers.

Yup. I believe that was when they got the new pay increases of 64K. Or that was their bonuses I forget which now.

 

[swamt]

My boy, if mechanics are not ALREADY pissed, they will never be. Nobody I work with batted an eye when Wednesday's meeting results were made public.

Keep em in the air guys. Keep producing product. The co. is just waiting for someone to do something stupid. As in our case, that never happened so the co's attempt to break us failed.
Wasn't the results that they don't have anything worthwhile to vote on? Or at least to bring out to the membership?? Good luck to you all.

 

[B737 driver]

Keep em in the air guys. Keep producing product. The co. is just waiting for someone to do something stupid. As in our case, that never happened so the co's attempt to break us failed.
Wasn't the results that they don't have anything worthwhile to vote on? Or at least to bring out to the membership?? Good luck to you all.

Our own MPM and maintenance task cards, processes the company demanded compliance , it's what they got, people got fired for not following task cards. But you still do your job.

 

[MetalMover]

I beg your pardon, I make no insinuations. But I do wonder if it will be a long hot summer?

I sincerely doubt it, WeAAz.

 

[bigjets]

My boy, if mechanics are not ALREADY pissed, they will never be. Nobody I work with batted an eye when Wednesday's meeting results were made public.

Probably just worn-out

after the 2003 concessions rushed thru
mechanic locals closed
2012 BK contract, pension frozen, lost retiree medical,retirees vote in contract then leave a bad contract behind
TWU holding on to some of our equity, retirees want some of that too.
Teamsters file then say no thank you
The association formed with no vote, now we have 2 unions negotiating one contract and one union doesn't want a new contract.

So another meeting that didn't result in a TA, isn't really that bad.

 

[Buck]

It’s like the libtards from OH expect us all to take less AGAIN so we can do all OH. Well AA isn’t a social welfare company and either am I. Sounds harsh but remember this, Tulsa can take a 40% pay cut and still have better standard of living then all of us at the line stations. Even DFW area is getting expensive. Do they say we will take less to save OH? No they say if you don’t like it move to Tulsa.

At what point does the association accept a pay raise?

When someone applies at an airline do they look at what shift they can get or how much they get paid?

Not everyone in Tulsa hates the Line. Most of that kind of noise is the Pro TWU that wants a Skill Premium raise.
not because it is time, but the Mechanics received a License Premium and the Machinist is not going to get that, because of
the Machinists Peers at the other Airlines are not getting an increase. The skill premium is $3.45 and a faction here at TUL is
campaigning to get their premiums raised. American is pushing for DL or United + 3% and rumor has it that the Mechanics peers
at the other airline's will be around $5 for both but it varies. and AA will get $6 for both.

 

[swamt]

Probably just worn-out

after the 2003 concessions rushed thru
mechanic locals closed
2012 BK contract, pension frozen, lost retiree medical,retirees vote in contract then leave a bad contract behind
TWU holding on to some of our equity, retirees want some of that too.
Teamsters file then say no thank you
The association formed with no vote, now we have 2 unions negotiating one contract and one union doesn't want a new contract.

So another meeting that didn't result in a TA, isn't really that bad.

Yup. That pretty much sums it all up in a nut shell.

 

[bigjets]

Not everyone in Tulsa hates the Line. Most of that kind of noise is the Pro TWU that wants a Skill Premium raise.
not because it is time, but the Mechanics received a License Premium and the Machinist is not going to get that, because of
the Machinists Peers at the other Airlines are not getting an increase. The skill premium is $3.45 and a faction here at TUL is
campaigning to get their premiums raised. American is pushing for DL or United + 3% and rumor has it that the Mechanics peers
at the other airline's will be around $5 for both but it varies. and AA will get $6 for both.

I never thought that OH hates Line. It’s just the fact that OH doesn’t care about anybody else but themselves. I’ve met plenty of mechs from OH who say they work for AA and should be paid what a line mechanic makes. So AA has so many mechs that we are all paid at a lower pay to makeup for the bloated workforce.

That’s why I think OH are a bunch of libtards riding the socialist agenda of, we should all make the same.

I’m in the firm belief of capitalism and the market rate for a line mech is $60 an hour and an experienced OH mech is $30 an hour. I don’t see how aa justifys to the board or shareholders the disparity. Maybe if the union and company came up with a dynamic contract or had a separate MRO company. Maybe TULE would have 8000 mech and job stability for generations to come, but instead we have a bloated workforce with mechs doing non mechanic work along with MRO work being done at line maintenance wages, and every few years we have a lay-off that gets done differently depending on who is running the union. I personally like how SWA does it. Mechs doing mech work at mech pay rates. With no layoffs even during the toughest of times.

I wonder how many disagree with this statement. If you disagree plz say why. TY I’m always open to different ways of thinking.

Disclaimer: don’t get upset by this post, this something that would never happen. Doug is too kind hearted for this. If TULE made it through bankruptcy as it is now. It must be worth it to AA to keep it around.

 

[Buck]

I never thought that OH hates Line. It’s just the fact that OH doesn’t care about anybody else but themselves. I’ve met plenty of mechs from OH who say they work for AA and should be paid what a line mechanic makes. So AA has so many mechs that we are all paid at a lower pay to makeup for the bloated workforce.

That’s why I think OH are a bunch of libtards riding the socialist agenda of, we should all make the same.

I’m in the firm belief of capitalism and the market rate for a line mech is $60 an hour and an experienced OH mech is $30 an hour. I don’t see how aa justifys to the board or shareholders the disparity. Maybe if the union and company came up with a dynamic contract or had a separate MRO company. Maybe TULE would have 8000 mech and job stability for generations to come, but instead we have a bloated workforce with mechs doing nonmechanic work along with MRO work being done at line maintenance wages, and every few years we have a lay-off that gets done differently depending on who is running the union. I personally like how SWA does it. Mechs doing mech work at mech pay rates. With no layoffs even during the toughest of times.

I wonder how many disagree with this statement. If you disagree plz say why. TY I’m always open to different ways of thinking.

Disclaimer: don’t get upset by this post, this something that would never happen. Doug is too kind hearted for this. If TULE made it through bankruptcy as it is now. It must be worth it to AA to keep it around.

And I agree with you, my point is that those who believe in the Line from TULE have the ability to bid out if the conditions allowed for it. Then there are those that cannot bid out because they do not have their A&P License. Then my favorite political part is those on the left that vote for the left and own guns for an example. They want their guns but vote against owning them.

Don't you think that under your scenario $60/30 that in general, the senior mechanics would all bid to the line? ( which BTW the $30 is just short of what Fleet Service is asking of $35 )
Do you believe that the Machinists in Tulsa should make what the experienced OH Mechanics or should it be gauged on local economies?

Is American here at Tulsa for American or for Tulsa?

 

[bigjets]

And I agree with you, my point is that those who believe in the Line from TULE have the ability to bid out if the conditions allowed for it. Then there are those that cannot bid out because they do not have their A&P License. Then my favorite political part is those on the left that vote for the left and own guns for an example. They want their guns but vote against owning them.

Don't you think that under your scenario $60/30 that in general, the senior mechanics would all bid to the line? ( which BTW the $30 is just short of what Fleet Service is asking of $35 )
Do you believe that the Machinists in Tulsa should make what the experienced OH Mechanics or should it be gauged on local economies?

Is American here at Tulsa for American or for Tulsa?

I’m not really concerned with non A&P, and as far as other skilled workers, I don’t know what market rates are for their selected occupation.

And if an A&P from TUL wants to come to a line station ...now get this......the mech should be able to go where his seniority can take him. I doubt any would leave because no matter what he would take a reduction in their standard of living. That’s how much better off a TUL mech has it then anybody else. And of course don’t forget that he would have to travel to I think it’s MIA or CLT and take A25 test from a member of management not from T town.

 

[767 mechanic]

We no longer have the A25 test. If you have your A&P and 2 years experience your qualified.

 

[Buck]

I’m not really concerned with non A&P, and as far as other skilled workers, I don’t know what market rates are for their selected occupation.

And if an A&P from TUL wants to come to a line station ...now get this......the mech should be able to go where his seniority can take him. I doubt any would leave because no matter what he would take a reduction in their standard of living. That’s how much better off a TUL mech has it then anybody else. And of course don’t forget that he would have to travel to I think it’s MIA or CLT and take A25 test from a member of management not from T town.

Then understand that there are different types of mechanics working in TULE. You have 2 types of working directly on the aircraft, those with a license and those working on the aircraft without a license.
Then you have Machinists running all types of metal shop machinery. These machinists do not have an A&P License in general and receive a skill premium of $3.45. Then there are Facilities Mechanics that have a skill such as Electricians, Automotive, Plumbers, etc..

 

[bigjets]

We no longer have the A25 test. If you have your A&P and 2 years experience your qualified.

I Don’t think that’s accurate as the new guys at LAX are studying like mad according to my friends that work there.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I never thought that OH hates Line. It’s just the fact that OH doesn’t care about anybody else but themselves. I’ve met plenty of mechs from OH who say they work for AA and should be paid what a line mechanic makes. So AA has so many mechs that we are all paid at a lower pay to makeup for the bloated workforce.

That’s why I think OH are a bunch of libtards riding the socialist agenda of, we should all make the same.

I’m in the firm belief of capitalism and the market rate for a line mech is $60 an hour and an experienced OH mech is $30 an hour. I don’t see how aa justifys to the board or shareholders the disparity. Maybe if the union and company came up with a dynamic contract or had a separate MRO company. Maybe TULE would have 8000 mech and job stability for generations to come, but instead we have a bloated workforce with mechs doing non mechanic work along with MRO work being done at line maintenance wages, and every few years we have a lay-off that gets done differently depending on who is running the union. I personally like how SWA does it. Mechs doing mech work at mech pay rates. With no layoffs even during the toughest of times.

I wonder how many disagree with this statement. If you disagree plz say why. TY I’m always open to different ways of thinking.

Disclaimer: don’t get upset by this post, this something that would never happen. Doug is too kind hearted for this. If TULE made it through bankruptcy as it is now. It must be worth it to AA to keep it around.

bigjets at the end of the day it does not really matter. The fact is you are in a UNION and the UNION negotiates your pay and benefits. You belong to a leftist entity so it should not upset you that they operate as a leftist entity would.

Frankly I understand your perspective. I was not a good fit for UNION culture. That is why I never bumped or put in a transfer. In the end the only real choice I had was to leave. I was not willing to tolerate the downside of UNIONs any longer. I had my fill and was ready to move on.

 

[767 mechanic]

Let me clarify my statement. If you are a new hire to the line you still have to test as a 6 mth evaluation. If you are a new hire at Tulsa or DWH you will still have to take a 6 mth eval test in your classification. We all had to take a 6 mth eval test. If you are a present employee lets say from Tulsa or DWH that has never worked the line you will not be tested. I have seen many people go to DFW and not be tested at all. It might be new to some people but the company stopped the line test at least a year ago for transfers. USAIR does not test so they stopped testing here. The USAIR way is a mechanic is a mechanic if you learned enough to get your A&P and learned to be an O/H mechanic you can learn to be a line mechanic. Now I will agree with you that their are different levels of competence but that goes equally for line and O/H mechanics. Just do not paint all O/H mechanics with the same brush. Just because an O/H mechanic has not been exposed to the line does not mean that person cannot work the line proficiently.