Aircraft maint issues

[B737 driver]

Your right. Pretty much whoever is in charge (union representation) would have also gone as long or longer than we did. Doesn't matter who was representing as this was all done by the companies side as LN admitted to KK finally.
Not knocking any union here, but it's so much "strength in numbers" as it is "unified and informed membership". Also key here was we all stayed employed instead of taking the strike bait.

Swampy if they learn from us, more power to them. I hope they pass us in pay.

 

[swamt]

Hey man we can always wait for a deal till February, 2025 and maybe you’ll get even more retro than that? (6 1/2 years from our September, 2018 amendable date)

No no no no. Don't even try that weezal. Just because you had an amendable date as of Sep. 2018 you guys have already been in nego's for 3-4 years now, or is it more like 3 1/2, I don't want to get that wrong. To match or beat our record nego's timeframe will be in another 3 years or so, 2022 not 2025 as you suggest.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong. But, I know they didn't get to the table within the 30 days as promised by the asso. after the merger. But nego's started way before the 2018 amendable date. Remember, wasn't it 2015 when they merged? So could it be 4 years now???

 

[swamt]

Swampy if they learn from us, more power to them. I hope they pass us in pay.

Me too. Delta first started it all. Then FedEx, UAL, and UPS all topped each other, and all helped us out at the table so now ours will help the AA'ers get their ILC as promised.
We didn't quite leap UPS but we definitely closed the gap this time around much more. Prior to this contract UPS was nearly $7 bucks an hour above us. If this new offer gets voted in they will be 2-3 bucks an hour above us, so we did come out a bit better than we were before.
I am in hopes of the AA'ers to get approx. 3% more than us and lead the industry. Pretty sure it will take a bit longer for them to get it, but I think they can do it in the long run.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

No no no no. Don't even try that weezal. Just because you had an amendable date as of Sep. 2018 you guys have already been in nego's for 3-4 years now, or is it more like 3 1/2, I don't want to get that wrong. To match or beat our record nego's timeframe will be in another 3 years or so, 2022 not 2025 as you suggest.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong. But, I know they didn't get to the table within the 30 days as promised by the asso. after the merger. But nego's started way before the 2018 amendable date. Remember, wasn't it 2015 when they merged? So could it be 4 years now???

Our negotiations with the company began in December 2015.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Me too. Delta first started it all. Then FedEx, UAL, and UPS all topped each other, and all helped us out at the table so now ours will help the AA'ers get their ILC as promised.
We didn't quite leap UPS but we definitely closed the gap this time around much more. Prior to this contract UPS was nearly $7 bucks an hour above us. If this new offer gets voted in they will be 2-3 bucks an hour above us, so we did come out a bit better than we were before.
I am in hopes of the AA'ers to get approx. 3% more than us and lead the industry. Pretty sure it will take a bit longer for them to get it, but I think they can do it in the long run.

That would be great but its not going to happen. We have gone from DAL+7% to DAL +3% now its "in line with". They love to artificially inflate our AMT to aircraft ratio to justify lower pay. I`m not sure why the company referenced SWA in their last Jetnet communication. Probably to highlight the outsourcing %. Certainly not to compare compensation. I figure we will be put on ice for the summer with negotiations resuming in the fall. Which of course ensures the IAM of at least one more year of cheap medical. The only losers in all of this are the LAA represented folks. It is my sincere hope after a jcba is eventually obtained, we turn our efforts to dissolving this absolute disaster of a representation fiasco. One union, one voice is the only way forward.

 

[B737 driver]

That would be great but its not going to happen. We have gone from DAL+7% to DAL +3% now its "in line with". They love to artificially inflate our AMT to aircraft ratio to justify lower pay. I`m not sure why the company referenced SWA in their last Jetnet communication. Probably to highlight the outsourcing %. Certainly not to compare compensation. I figure we will be put on ice for the summer with negotiations resuming in the fall. Which of course ensures the IAM of at least one more year of cheap medical. The only losers in all of this are the LAA represented folks. It is my sincere hope after a jcba is eventually obtained, we turn our efforts to dissolving this absolute disaster of a representation fiasco. One union, one voice is the only way forward.

Hog is the language of the Association only until they get a JCBA, and you could then force an election between the TWU and the IAM? Or you would have to have a card drive to force an election?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Hog is the language of the Association only until they get a JCBA, and you could then force an election between the TWU and the IAM? Or you would have to have a card drive to force an election?

I'm not sure but I believe a card drive is the only way out. As much as it pains me to say it, I'd support a card drive by the TWU. I think that is the most realistic way out. AMFA would be my ideal choice but I don't think they could get enough support. There has to be a change. The association just does not work in the members best interest.

 

[dfw gen]

Hog is the language of the Association only until they get a JCBA, and you could then force an election between the TWU and the IAM? Or you would have to have a card drive to force an election?

the twu and the iam used our dues check off cards as a sign of interest in the association. so there basically was an election.and there was a 30 day window for an intervener the twu and the iam took a chance that in 30 days no one would be able to raise enough cards. and yes it is legal. im sure jim little and fat don were not aware of this so they "thought" they had to have a vote. PROBABLY when it was pointed out to them that they didnt need a vote they were happy to go with it. so to answer your question my understanding is that no the iam and or the twu cannot start a card drive for representation since they did already and they already "represent us". so basically they fucked us using the system against us. and quite frankly the twu is getting very comfortable in the association so dont look for any effort from the twu to exit the association. though everyone will admit it sucks and was a lousy deal for two members.

 

[dfw gen]

just another example of why the association,iam and the twu need to go.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm not sure but I believe a card drive is the only way out. As much as it pains me to say it, I'd support a card drive by the TWU. I think that is the most realistic way out. AMFA would be my ideal choice but I don't think they could get enough support. There has to be a change. The association just does not work in the members best interest.

The TWU would not be allowed to accept cards unless they gave up their Membership in the AFL/CIO.

Otherwise good luck in your next Drive.

 

[B737 driver]

I'm not sure but I believe a card drive is the only way out. As much as it pains me to say it, I'd support a card drive by the TWU. I think that is the most realistic way out. AMFA would be my ideal choice but I don't think they could get enough support. There has to be a change. The association just does not work in the members best interest.

Sounds like the Association stays. Your right on the AMFA because of what happened last time. But if the Association comes through then talk of replacing them will be just that talk. There were some rumblings last year about AMFA, but it was never anything more than breakroom talk, that went nowhere.

 

[Vortilon]

Hey Vortilon did our Company ever go Bankrupt? Does TWU do overhaul at AA?

SWA AMT’s also have the benefit of being a very exclusive club. Only 2300 Members allowed or they will be in violation of the Building Fire Code.

Look, most of us work to make money, the more the better. Although I prefer as much maintenance as possible done by AA AMTs; at this point, the consensus is we will not accept less pay and benefits because of these inflated headcount numbers for M&R. It's like we are in this permanent guilt trip of accepting less because we do more inhouse maintenance. The negotiators know this, they have gone to the well every time - trouble is, the well is dry - we still haven't recovered from the last two trips.

The TWU is in business for themselves, that is to preserve headcount. This is killing the membership now to the tune of $30k per year. The TWU is attempting to sell this new strategy for preserving future headcount by using this new concern for members to get better shifts and days off sooner. The TWU BS creativity mode went into high gear for that one.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The TWU would not be allowed to accept cards unless they gave up their Membership in the AFL/CIO.

Otherwise good luck in your next Drive.

Thx for raining on my parade Weez 🙁🙁

 

[MetalMover]

Look, most of us work to make money, the more the better. Although I prefer as much maintenance as possible done by AA AMTs; at this point, the consensus is we will not accept less pay and benefits because of these inflated headcount numbers for M&R. It's like we are in this permanent guilt trip of accepting less because we do more inhouse maintenance. The negotiators know this, they have gone to the well every time - trouble is, the well is dry - we still haven't recovered from the last two trips.

The TWU is in business for themselves, that is to preserve headcount. This is killing the membership now to the tune of $30k per year. The TWU is attempting to sell this new strategy for preserving future headcount by using this new concern for members to get better shifts and days off sooner. The TWU BS creativity mode went into high gear for that one.

Get ready for the TWU to lower the ask in terms of pay and benefits in order to preserve headcount.
History will repeat itself once again

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Get ready for the TWU to lower the ask in terms of pay and benefits in order to preserve headcount.
History will repeat itself once again

Or create yet another classification at lower pay in the name of headcount. When will they propose a part time mechanic?