Aircraft maint issues

[blue collar]

Driver- ‘association’ doesn’t even work at US/AA and hasn’t for more than a decade. Don’t get dragged into his baseless arguments on which union is ‘better’. They all have their benefits and faults, and NO union has the juice to force a company to give a better contract than they’re prepared to in the post 9-11 airline world. As much as some of these posters preach solidarity, it only goes as far as people agreeing with their choice of preferred union.
I truly hope for the best for the AA mechanics, but the reality is there will be compromises between the two CBAs. They know it, and they’ll have to decide if it’s something they can live with.

 

[Vortilon]

This has not been updated since last July but most Articles starting completely from scratch have been completed.

https://www.local591.com/docs/M&R MLS JCBA Article by Article Percentage Completed July 26 2018.pdf

And don’t forget driver you guys were only negotiating one Contract not even from scratch and it took you guys close to 7 years to get it done for only 2300 people. Your situation wasn’t tough, it was ridiculous.

As has been pointed out numerous times already, SWA AMTs had the luxury of still having all their benefits intact. They are also receiving a decent retro check at signing. So if they walked the dog for 7 years, it still cannot be compared to what we are dealing with under the current TWU agreement.

 

[Rogallo]

Nice, who's your collective bargaining agent over there at LUV B737 Driver?

 

[WeAAsles]

As has been pointed out numerous times already, SWA AMTs had the luxury of still having all their benefits intact. They are also receiving a decent retro check at signing. So if they walked the dog for 7 years, it still cannot be compared to what we are dealing with under the current TWU agreement.

Hey Vortilon did our Company ever go Bankrupt? Does TWU do overhaul at AA?

SWA AMT’s also have the benefit of being a very exclusive club. Only 2300 Members allowed or they will be in violation of the Building Fire Code.

 

[Buck]

I used to believe in strength in numbers with the Teamsters. It took 5 years for United, and 6 years at UPS. We had a deal at 5.5. years that was rejected, we are now at 6.6 years, and this one that will probably pass. By having all your dates amenable at the same time, with different language , with different negotiating committee , you will never achieve ratification at the same time, and hold the other groups up. So if the bigger group is ramp, you can sacrifice maintenance , for the bigger group, and blame the company at the same time.

The company could just buy me out, possibly more members, But I am quite greedy since I want out and my frozen pension is part of my retirement.
As for being the larger group, traditionally when the Association was formed the TWU should have absorbed the IAM. I have been watching the hiring page on JetNet and the company
has had its eye on Fleet and Maintenance but the Fleet has more job openings than Maintenance. Is this the reason for the company wanting to reduce manning?

 

[B737 driver]

Driver- ‘association’ doesn’t even work at US/AA and hasn’t for more than a decade. Don’t get dragged into his baseless arguments on which union is ‘better’. They all have their benefits and faults, and NO union has the juice to force a company to give a better contract than they’re prepared to in the post 9-11 airline world. As much as some of these posters preach solidarity, it only goes as far as people agreeing with their choice of preferred union.
I truly hope for the best for the AA mechanics, but the reality is there will be compromises between the two CBAs. They know it, and they’ll have to decide if it’s something they can live with.

Well well thanks blue collar just being honest with my lack of belief, and I was wrong. You're right there is no magic bullet.

 

[B737 driver]

Nice, who's your collective bargaining agent over there at LUV B737 Driver?

AMFA.

 

[Rogallo]

AMFA.

Oh, that's right. It slipped my mind.

I hear you're looking at $60,000 in retro pay? Is that right?

I think I'll get a $3,000 signing bonus!

TWU.....You Rock

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh, that's right. It slipped my mind.

I hear you're looking at $60,000 in retro pay? Is that right?

I think I'll get a $3,000 signing bonus!

TWU.....You Rock

Hey man we can always wait for a deal till February, 2025 and maybe you’ll get even more retro than that? (6 1/2 years from our September, 2018 amendable date)

 

[B737 driver]

Oh, that's right. It slipped my mind.

I hear you're looking at $60,000 in retro pay? Is that right?

I think I'll get a $3,000 signing bonus!

TWU.....You Rock

Mine will be close to $84k.

 

[conehead777]

Hey Vortilon did our Company ever go Bankrupt? Does TWU do overhaul at AA?

SWA AMT’s also have the benefit of being a very exclusive club. Only 2300 Members allowed or they will be in violation of the Building Fire Code.

What is your hang up with numbers. Amts do the same job as other airlines do. As far as I’m concerned the company should have 2 fleet service clerks on every flight narrow are wide body. The company is looking to get rid of your numbers to with theese new loaders. You say strength in numbers but you come on here on the amt page bad mouthing us disrespecting us. Then alway bring up our numbers I’m like dvldog I’m tired of all the bs about amts . You are not supporting us but you want our support for your 80 stations . And what ever else fleet wants. Yes under Bob Crandall we did everything in house. Back then the airplanes came back clean. Crandall knew what work he was getting in the long run cost him less because when the planes came out of overhaul they were ready to fly. The company is losing money now with all theese 737 out of service for the oasis mod and viasat mods. That the planes were butchered up bad. Bob Crandall in my opinion was the only ceo that respected maintance in my 34 years at AA. He had the conference each year when i was in Tulsa. That’s more then any ceo especially Parker. I have worked 777 that came in from China from overhaul with about 300 messages on the EICAS they went out of service. For several weeks. So you can take that you amt hater. Karma has a way of getting back. You wishing our numbers low might just happen to you in fleet. And you keep bringing up amfa taking 6 plus years. And as others have stated on here the swa amts were in a place they could wait it out. If we still had our 10 holidays and 12 sick a year. Double and a half on holidays. Double time on field trips after the time and a half was up are on 7th day if worked both days. Then we could wait it out easy. But us twu are on a bk contract. Make fun of me my writing style are spelling I don’t care. But I bet you don’t have a spin that is truthful on my statements on above. I know you like to spin your twu.iam bs. But your not a amt and you have no clue what we do are go through

 

[Rogallo]

Mine will be close to $84k.

Nice!

 

[Rogallo]

Hey man we can always wait for a deal till February, 2025 and maybe you’ll get even more retro than that? (6 1/2 years from our September, 2018 amendable date)

TWU ain't smart enough to negotiate retro.

 

[WeAAsles]

TWU ain't smart enough to negotiate retro.

Oh brother.

 

[swamt]

I used to believe in strength in numbers with the Teamsters. It took 5 years for United, and 6 years at UPS. We had a deal at 5.5. years that was rejected, we are now at 6.6 years, and this one that will probably pass. By having all your dates amenable at the same time, with different language , with different negotiating committee , you will never achieve ratification at the same time, and hold the other groups up. So if the bigger group is ramp, you can sacrifice maintenance , for the bigger group, and blame the company at the same time.

Your right. Pretty much whoever is in charge (union representation) would have also gone as long or longer than we did. Doesn't matter who was representing as this was all done by the companies side as LN admitted to KK finally.
Not knocking any union here, but it's so much "strength in numbers" as it is "unified and informed membership". Also key here was we all stayed employed instead of taking the strike bait.