Aircraft maint issues

[Birdman]

In the 90's a co-worker in Tulsa, originally from Denver, claimed it's your right to live where you want regardless of the cost of living. When AA decided to open Denver up to maintenance he, without reservation, moved there. The open bickering between line and overhaul defies even the definition of union and gives the compAAny all the leverage in negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

In the 90's a co-worker in Tulsa, originally from Denver, claimed it's your right to live where you want regardless of the cost of living. When AA decided to open Denver up to maintenance he, without reservation, moved there. The open bickering between line and overhaul defies even the definition of union and gives the compAAny all the leverage in negotiations.

Agree but you will never move past an issue if it's not discussed or continues to be ignored.

I can bet there never would have even been an issue if AA's main OH Base had been located somewhere in NYC. But that also would have been ridiculous on AA's part to have ever built it there because of the cost to rent land.

So TUL and DFW it was because it was more cost sensible and people did migrate there.

Now the PROBLEM is that the Company wants to gain even more cost savings by moving that work out of the Country altogether. So instead of just griping and moaning about it where is the advocacy to argue against the Company that that's not a wise move or investment on their part (Not from the Unions but from the Rank and File)

 

[BeechDriver]

Thank you kindly for the correction and feeding my obvious inferiority complex. The difference between the two being a common mistake but a mistake nonetheless.

"Both acronyms and initialisms are abbreviations, but there is a key difference between the two, at least at present. Due to rampant misuse of the term “acronym” some dictionaries are now starting to add an extra definition to it, allowing acronyms to expand their scope to include initialisms. So as the English language evolves, this additional definition of acronym may stick and become widely accepted. But at present, it’s generally still good form to distinguish between the two."

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/05/the-difference-between-an-acronym-and-an-initialism/

You take a little ribbing very well. One of the first things I learned at AA was to never ever let them see you flinch! I sincerely appreciate your proper use of punctuation and capital letters as I am a very slow reader and need all the help I can get.

 

[Birdman]

Now the PROBLEM is that the Company wants to gain even more cost savings by moving that work out of the Country altogether.

The frugal WN tried Aeroman in San Salvador and is now voluntarily bringing this work back to the states. You can bet the savings weren't what they thought.

 

[WeAAsles]

The frugal WN tried Aeroman in San Salvador and is now voluntarily bringing this work back to the states. You can bet the savings weren't what they thought.

I hope the New AA has been paying attention that those (On paper) cost savings aren't always as economical as they appear?

Case in point 757 seats flying all over the place, lmao.

 

[WeAAsles]

You take a little ribbing very well. One of the first things I learned at AA was to never ever let them see you flinch! I sincerely appreciate your proper use of punctuation and capital letters as I am a very slow reader and need all the help I can get.

I utilize the spell check features quite often. (Exposed fraud I am)

 

[2ndGENAMT]

So they should pander to the minority?

That is actually what they do, usually two or more groups to get the 50%+1 (The Majority of Votes) they need to keep the revenue flowing to the people who dont have to live under the contract.

The 95 contract is am example of targeting groups with incentives that really didn't do much for the members that worked under it. The Retirees got theirs and the Union got more Dues payers to replace those Retirees.

I see nothing in these negotiations that tells me they are going to do what's best for everyone, if they were we would be much more informed about what is going on. JMO.

 

[WeAAsles]

That is actually what they do, usually two or more groups to get the 50%+1 (The Majority of Votes) they need to keep the revenue flowing to the people who dont have to live under the contract.

The 95 contract is am example of targeting groups with incentives that really didn't do much for the members that worked under it. The Retirees got theirs and the Union got more Dues payers to replace those Retirees.

I see nothing in these negotiations that tells me they are going to do what's best for everyone, if they were we would be much more informed about what is going on. JMO.

And the same thing just happened over at UAL where those Mechanics voted down their first TA by 95% but once a $100,000 buyout offer was slapped on to the next one it passed.

Face the facts. If you ever expect a TA to pass it absolutely has to pander to the majority over the minority because WE are the ones who vote for the contract. Do you really believe people are going to throw their own self interests on the sword especially for people who aren't even working here yet?

When you and I are at the age we're looking to retire are you going to tell me you'll turn your back on $100,000 to take care of people who didn't go through all you went through at this job?

Let's try to be real.

 

[swamt]

I hope you guys at sw get full retro show the company it's in there best interest not to let the contract wait as long has they have slowed your contract cost down. At least you have a maintance union . You don't have other groups on your tail .

It will be up to our membership, but we should.
On an update as far as our suits go, Southwest just won the movement of the suits from Phoenix to Dallas.

The frugal WN tried Aeroman in San Salvador and is now voluntarily bringing this work back to the states. You can bet the savings weren't what they thought.

I believe most is due to all the maint rework that had to be done upon aircraft returning from Aeroman. Also the down time and them not meeting dates back to service plus the added down time when they did release them for our guys to rework a lot and most of them. Yea, not efficient at all. I believe I remember the company stating they will be out by mid year this year.

 

[WeAAsles]

Rumors

I’m sitting at the negotiating table in DC taking time away from the reason I am here to write a letter of clarification.

It has been brought to my attention that there have been some postings placed around the base with my name at the bottom of it. These postings are very misleading and in no way accurate as to the state of our current negotiations.

I have been pushing the agenda for local 514 since the first day I was placed on the Negotiations committee. I have been working very hard at building a relationship with all the members of this committee so that we will NOT BE DIVIDED. Leaders make decisions every day that meet with opposition. These decisions are made by taking the best information we have at the time and going forward.

I posted a letter yesterday letting all of you know that Gary Peterson (president of the largest maintenance local) will be at the executive table while the remainder of the negotiating team continues to write language for proposals and review passes back from the company. The executive committee was formed to help expedite the process of joining two historical Union contracts.

The “Old School” post that has been distributed through the base is nothing but twisted information that meets the agenda for the destruction of all that we stand for. Local 514 has more than a Seat at the table. We have Brothers at Arms at the table, fighting for the best contract for all of us.

Union,

Dale Danker

If you see more BS postings grab a Shop Steward and have them verify….

 

[BeechDriver]

I believe most is due to all the maint rework that had to be done upon aircraft returning from Aeroman. Also the down time and them not meeting dates back to service plus the added down time when they did release them for our guys to rework a lot and most of them. Yea, not efficient at all. I believe I remember the company stating they will be out by mid year this year.

That's what Alligiant liked about the overhaul work we did to their MD80 fleet. When they got thier aircraft back, they didn't have to work on them for two weeks to get them back in service. They taxied them to the gate, loaded them with passengers and started making money.

 

[BeechDriver]

I hope the New AA has been paying attention that those (On paper) cost savings aren't always as economical as they appear?

Case in point 757 seats flying all over the place, lmao.

Regarding that particular situation, the company actually tried to place blame on Tulsa and deflect any negative backlash for outsourcing the seat work. Our local union leadership was offended enough to take to the airwaves and inform the public that the seats were not installed by Tulsa maintenance.

I believe the company knows what the long term cost of outsourcing maintenance is. Numerous members of our own local management have provided the new corporate leaders hard numbers showing work was more cost effectively accomplished in house. These local individuals have been told to get onboard with the USAir program or hit the road. Some have been "let go". I think our new USAir leadership wants to reap the short term savings and deflect the blame to us when the chickens come home to roost later on.

 

[MerlinMagician]

Regarding that particular situation, the company actually tried to place blame on Tulsa and deflect any negative backlash for outsourcing the seat work. Our local union leadership was offended enough to take to the airwaves and inform the public that the seats were not installed by Tulsa maintenance.

I believe the company knows what the long term cost of outsourcing maintenance is. Numerous members of our own local management have provided the new corporate leaders hard numbers showing work was more cost effectively accomplished in house. These local individuals have been told to get onboard with the USAir program or hit the road. Some have been "let go". I think our new USAir leadership wants to reap the short term savings and deflect the blame to us when the chickens come home to roost later on.

Just remember that you are dealing with America West mentality. Prior to the judge abrogating their contract in Jan. 2005 the IAM did nearly everything inhouse at USAirways.

 

[swamt]

That's what Alligiant liked about the overhaul work we did to their MD80 fleet. When they got thier aircraft back, they didn't have to work on them for two weeks. They taxied them to the gate, loaded them with passengers and started making money.

That's the way it should be.

 

[swamt]

Conehead, here's our update. Not much to speak of. Full week cut short yet again.

AMFA - SWA TECHNICIAN NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE #55