Aircraft maint issues

[WeAAsles]

I think it was the international was more concerned of having it done by the convention Not the TWU or IAM

Like I said I'm sure those guys would like it to happen but I also HIGHLY doubt they would rush to bring something back to us that could potentially go down in flames.

Just to go on your "rumor" if they were given something I'm sure the next update will let us all know.

 

[AANOTOK]

Like I said I'm sure those guys would like it to happen but I also HIGHLY doubt they would rush to bring something back to us that could potentially go down in flames.

Just to go on your "rumor" if they were given something I'm sure the next update will let us all know.

Would it? Do you say that confidently or with bated breath?

 

[WeAAsles]

Would it? Do you say that confidently or with bated breath?

If they receive a full proposal why would they not announce that they got one and they need to look it over? Doesn't mean even if they did it would be necessarily acceptable though.

And no I haven't heard that rumor myself and I can't even keep up with the amount of rumors I hear pretty much daily.

 

[RobertAAAMT]

I personally don't like to spread rumors but because of what I saw from our regional union rep and how he usually is I feel like there was more substance in the fact that he was more excited than doubtful but I figured if there is something if anything , Friday we should get an update with things moving forward. who knows if they will tell us if the company put out a contract or if there even was one but right now with everything going on it's hard to dispel these rumors, I haven't been with the company like most you have for many many years but if the international is involved I could see why they want the credit and since it looks like they( International) didn't want to waste their time during the past year being at the table, maybe that means they're just here to get one done ASAP for better or worse will see

 

[BeechDriver]

There certainly are a lot of divisions in our union represented work groups. I am more inclined to believe that these divisions are the cause for the drawn out contact negotiation. I have heard many line personnel express thier disdain for overhaul, especially Tulsa overhaul. This may partially come from the numerous times that local Tulsa TWU leadership used local 514's large membership numbers to control votes that were important to all AA TWU members. Those days have passed and now the company has established a larger line contingency. The line side of maintenance will finally have its day as they see overhaul as much of a parasite riding thier coattails as they saw fleet service that way years ago. After all, overhaul maintenance can be outsourced to Aeroman, HEACO, TIMCO, ect, ect. The company sees the extraordinary opportunity to create more division and stretch out this contract negotiation as long as possible. Why would they hurry. Our contract doesn't run out until September of 2018! I've got enough years left that I will be packing my bags and moving to whatever line station my 35 years will get me. Lots of people in overhaul and on the line will probably vote for a buyout (another division). That will have a negative effect on the earning power of the rest of us that are left behind. I haven't even mentioned the IAMNPF. The TWU would love to lock the membership into that debacle. So many opportunities for the company to nurture division and so much time to do it.

 

[BeechDriver]

TWU is an acronym
AA is an acronym

Actually TWU and AA are initialisms!

ETOPS and ASAP are acronyms.

I tell you this because I can tell that it is important to you to appear more brilliant than you really are.

AMF - initialism
YOYO - acronym

 

[bigjets]

I don't think the Ramp or OH are parasites, but we had the highest paid ramp and lowest paid AMTs for the longest time. It wasn't until we separated negotiations from the ramp that we got a sizable pay raise.

As far as OH goes.

If you don't like it, transfer to a line station.

 

[scorpion 2]

So what you are saying is that the union (twu) has never functioned as a union. Its been a tool for the corporation to help pass 50% plus 1 vote contracts down the throats of the other 49.9%.?

 

[BeechDriver]

I don't think the Ramp or OH are parasites, but we had the highest paid ramp and lowest paid AMTs for the longest time. It wasn't until we separated negotiations from the ramp that we got a sizable pay raise.

As far as OH goes.

If you don't like it, transfer to a line station.

We like overhaul. I'm just saying I won't have any problem moving to the line when ever the line gives the company the change of scope Mr. Isom craves. Divide and conquer.

 

[BeechDriver]

So what you are saying is that the union (twu) has never functioned as a union. Its been a tool for the corporation to help pass 50% plus 1 vote contracts down the throats of the other 49.9%.?

I must say your observational powers are keen. And so it continues. I recall a contract signing photo from decades past. Mr Crandall and company were gathered around a table with looks of glee as a contract that passed by a narrow margin was being signed.

 

[MetalMover]

If TUL OH Mechanics are really so frightened I have to wonder why that is? Do they feel like maybe "they" did something in the past to Line Mechanics that maybe they never got over? Maybe these guys think some people might want to settle an old score?

I can answer your question with this one phrase.......IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN MOVE TO TULSA!

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually TWU and AA are initialisms!

ETOPS and ASAP are acronyms.

I tell you this because I can tell that it is important to you to appear more brilliant than you really are.

AMF - initialism
YOYO - acronym

Thank you kindly for the correction and feeding my obvious inferiority complex. The difference between the two being a common mistake but a mistake nonetheless.

"Both acronyms and initialisms are abbreviations, but there is a key difference between the two, at least at present. Due to rampant misuse of the term “acronym” some dictionaries are now starting to add an extra definition to it, allowing acronyms to expand their scope to include initialisms. So as the English language evolves, this additional definition of acronym may stick and become widely accepted. But at present, it’s generally still good form to distinguish between the two."

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/05/the-difference-between-an-acronym-and-an-initialism/

 

[WeAAsles]

I can answer your question with this one phrase.......IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN MOVE TO TULSA!

12 years spent in DFW any time I brought up the insane cost of living where I came from in NYC that was a common phrase thrown back at me.

"WELL IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT THEY SHOULD MOVE TO DFW THEN"

Just because "I" chose to move to DFW I always felt why should others have to? Yes financially moving to DFW for the early part of my career was a smart move. But the boredom was a huge sacrifice considering where I grew up.

What bothers me a lot Metal is when these OH guys from TUL come on here and want to bash the "initialism" all that runs through my mind is "What the HELL are they talking about"

If it wasn't for those "people" in the past who yes did sacrifice everyone's pay in Maintenance to maintain jobs there might not be or surely would be a diminished TUL for them to even have had jobs there. So what's the definition of insanity then? Bite the hand that fed you?

Anyway I really hope when you get to vote on a JCBA it strikes the right balance and really doesn't completely favor one side over the other too much.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm sorry TUL readers but you really should come clean once and for all that you're living the life of Riley over there and should thank first the TWU and now the Ass for your extreme good fortune.

 

[WeAAsles]

Or the other way around.