Aircraft maint issues

[Deleted member 14439]

What is the FSC to aircraft ratio at these carriers? Seems like we are always talking about the AMT ratio.

 

[Buck]

Governments and Corporations are all part of the same game. No one wants to overpay if they can avoid it.



What SHOULD you be making and how much outsourcing are you willing to accept to get there? The Industry has a few different percentages. The worst being SWA at 80%. Average is around 50% unless we’re going to move back into the conversation of UPS and FEDEX?



I would expect them to want to dump even more work by percentages if we would agree with it.

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and the TWU / IAM and Association ( just to be clear ) fit the package.

 

[Buck]

Aircraft Maintenance Technician, aka A&P.

OptimusPrime look at dvlhog212 after your statement.

 

[Buck]

Why not change the TWU Overhaul / Line, from a closed shop to an open shop and see what happens.

To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. – Thomas Jefferson

 

[WeAAsles]

What is the FSC to aircraft ratio at these carriers? Seems like we are always talking about the AMT ratio.

I’ve never seen it broken down anywhere before specifically. But right now we have 16,800 FSC’s.

But we probably have more in Mainline (TWU) than anyone else as well.

 

[WeAAsles]

cor·po·ra·tion
Dictionary result for corporation
/ˌkôrpəˈrāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. a company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.
   synonyms: company, firm, business, concern, operation, agency, office, bureau, house, guild, institution, organization, trust, partnership, federation, conglomerate, consortium, syndicate, group, chain, combine, multiple, multinational; More
   • a group of people elected to govern a city, town, or borough.
     noun: municipal corporation; plural noun: municipal corporations
     synonyms: council, town council, municipal authority, civic authority;
     authorities
     "the corporation refused two planning applications"

and the TWU / IAM and Association ( just to be clear ) fit the package.

So does AMFA and so would have AMP.

So what’s your point?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

16,800 FSC for 960 planes. The information is readily available, Google is your friend

Yeah, I get that. My point being people are constantly harping on the AMT ratio. So why not highlight the FSC ratio as well. Lets put it all out there. AA has too much fat in all departments. Folks are quick to sacrifice the AMT.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yeah, I get that. My point being people are constantly harping on the AMT ratio. So why not highlight the FSC ratio as well. Lets put it all out there. AA has too much fat in all departments. Folks are quick to sacrifice the AMT.

Hog as an FSC I wish someone would publicly highlight us. We always get slipped in to the Generic category of “All Other” most of the time.

And AA doesn’t have too much fat. The way it should be looked at is all OAL cut out way too much fat. And that absolutely counts ALL in house Maintenance work.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/...rican Airlines Employee Data and Analysis.htm

 

[Buck]

Does AMFA at SWA have Fleet Service

Sadly the trend will continue. Until it is proven that outsourcing is causing planes to fall out of the sky, the argument is a futile one. just my opinion.
Hell, the mighty Amazon is outsourcing their entire air operations.
I am not saying I support what the company wants. My gut feeling is that the company will get most of what they want...One way or another.

Samuelsen, for all his good intentions, has never dealt with the Railway Labor Act. He is able to shut the city of NY down way easier thane can shut an airline down.
Anyone, including him, who believes it is a fool.

When Alex Ocasio-Cortez has been pilloried for her plan to “get rid of farting cows and airplanes,” upgrade or replace “every building in America,” replace “every combustible-engine vehicle” and provide “economic security” for people “unwilling to work” — and rightly so. The old five-year plans of the former Soviet Union are modest, by comparison, in their pursuit of full socialism.

So does AMFA and so would have AMP.

So what’s your point?

Point is that the Unions are corporations within themselves. They are in the game for money, mostly to operate? I hope.
A major issue is why don't the union Open their shops or just let the mechanics have self-determination? The difference is in front of you the A&P Mechanics want out, why do the unions want them to stay?

 

[WeAAsles]

Does AMFA at SWA have Fleet Service

What does any of that have to do with your Corporation post?

Look you hate sharing the Water Fountain with Baggage Handlers. I got that from you years ago now already. Stop repeating yourself.

Point is that the Unions are corporations within themselves. They are in the game for money, mostly to operate? I hope.

A major issue is why don't the union Open their shops or just let the mechanics have self-determination? The difference is in front of you the A&P Mechanics want out, why do the unions want them to stay?

The A&P Mechanics DO NOT want out or you would have been out years ago.

And you’re another one who does NOT speak for all. Seriously WTF is wrong with you guys that you can’t figure that out?

Petition the NMB to dump the “And Related” that you can’t stand either and then keep trying.

“I” Learn to speak for yourself. The word is “I” as in “I” want. YOU. One individual speaking ONLY for YOU.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW Buck what about these mostly AMT’s? Did they look like they wanted out like you keep claiming (As their Spokesman) ALL the AMT’s do?

https://www.dallasnews.com/business...ways-vote-for-mechanics-and-related-employees

 

[bigjets]

You post a political tirade and justify it at the end by saying how you are educating your fellow workers about the coal industry! All I did was show how your statement was WRONG!
And this is from your own article.

“The question isn’t how much better the industry is doing under Trump, but how much worse it would have been doing without him, said Hal Quinn, president of the National Mining Association. Trump has stopped the “bloodletting” that was under way under Obama and is “taking away some of the barriers, allowing us to compete,” Quinn said.”

Sorry I know how you snowflake MAGA guys get bent out of shape when our presidents short comings are pointed out. Just yell out FAKE NEWS so you can blame someone else.

I was actually pointing out that politicians, stock holders, and only half our union dont support us, and not to expect sympathy from anyone.

I was talking about sick time with my brother who is an honest conservative. We talked about sick time. He says don’t you think it’s unfair for the company to pay you when you’re not at work. That’s what people think. Talk to people who aren’t in unions and tell your complaints. Ask their true opinion of your complaint.

 

[Buck]

What does any of that have to do with your Corporation post?

Look you hate sharing the Water Fountain with Baggage Handlers. I got that from you years ago now already. Stop repeating yourself.




The A&P Mechanics DO NOT want out or you would have been out years ago.

And you’re another one who does NOT speak for all. Seriously WTF is wrong with you guys that you can’t figure that out?

Petition the NMB to dump the “And Related” that you can’t stand either and then keep trying.

“I” Learn to speak for yourself. The word is “I” as in “I” want. YOU. One individual speaking ONLY for YOU.

I never said that I hate Baggage Handlers. The Baggage Handlers have always outnumbered the Mechanics, I told you it is not that the Fleet
doesn't deserve what they

BTW Buck what about these mostly AMT’s? Did they look like they wanted out like you keep claiming (As their Spokesman) ALL the AMT’s do?

can get, it is the International that campaigns to keep as many as possible under the AFL-CIO and the Air Division at the International.
Why in the past has the Company and the TWU International shown up to destroy the Card Drives?

Why are you getting angry?? I wish the very best for the Fleet in negotiations.
After almost 35 years it is always the interference by the Union and the company to stop the card drives.
The mechanics for most of my career have been drinking from the horse trough while you guys have had the water fountain.
With the merger and the matching of salaries, it is the first time as far as pay we are finally making close to what our peers do.
Why do you think AMFA and AMP ever came to be? The A&P Mechanics want out, but the rest of the AMT's are not aircraft mechanics
Some are included by the NMB.

Thanks for the Link from 2013, that has nothing to do with AA A&P Mechanics.
BTW those Overhaul support mechanics here at TULSA and DWH are going to have to get their license to get hired.

You need to stop getting angry and BTW I have been repeating myself along with others for 30+ years.
Why are you afraid if the mechanics leave?

The corporation was your statement I am just comparing the Union with a corporation.

 

[WeAAsles]

I never said that I hate Baggage Handlers. The Baggage Handlers have always outnumbered the Mechanics, I told you it is not that the Fleet
doesn't deserve what they


can get, it is the International that campaigns to keep as many as possible under the AFL-CIO and the Air Division at the International.
Why in the past has the Company and the TWU International shown up to destroy the Card Drives?

Why are you getting angry?? I wish the very best for the Fleet in negotiations.
After almost 35 years it is always the interference by the Union and the company to stop the card drives.
The mechanics for most of my career have been drinking from the horse trough while you guys have had the water fountain.
With the merger and the matching of salaries, it is the first time as far as pay we are finally making close to what our peers do.
Why do you think AMFA and AMP ever came to be? The A&P Mechanics want out, but the rest of the AMT's are not aircraft mechanics
Some are included by the NMB.

Thanks for the Link from 2013, that has nothing to do with AA A&P Mechanics.
BTW those Overhaul support mechanics here at TULSA and DWH are going to have to get their license to get hired.

You need to stop getting angry and BTW I have been repeating myself along with others for 30+ years.
Why are you afraid if the mechanics leave?

Buck we’ve gone over this too many times and now too many years to count anymore. You didn’t write not one single thing that we haven’t gone over to death. And I just don’t like ANYONE who arbitrarily thinks he speaks for everyone. I didn’t even like my last Local President supposedly speaking as a collective voice for MIA ( He ultimately found out the hard way that he did not )

Here’s your reality.

You recently tried to start a new group and that totally died even before it left the gate (AMP) You yourself admitted it.

As far as any AMFA drive coming up again next that too is over. In case you haven’t realized it AMFA and TWU have a Peace Agreement in place.

Neither Union will accept any cards from the other that come from anywhere by anyone. If you don’t believe me call your AMFA contacts and ask them yourself. There are and will be no active card drives.

It’s time for all of us to chit, get off the pot or get out of the way.

 

[swamt]

WN got their ETOPS, you didn’t stop them.

Just waiting on the paperwork.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...val-for-hawaii-flights-gary-kelly/2983585002/

Not yet moron. get a clue. They will get it, but they do not have it yet.