Aircraft maint issues

[MetalMover]

He’s absolutely not looking to shut down the Airline. The guy is actually smarter than you might think. He’s been in this game for awhile now. And City, State or Private it’s all still part of the same game.

And if the trend does continue I guess people are going to have to get used to making half what they do today? Both Ramp and AMT’s.

I disagree with you on Samuelson. Really not the same game.

And to the contrary, we won't be making half of what we're making, but rather what we SHOULD be making what we SHOULD be making as we would be operating under the same scope as other airlines.

Let's face it, AA wants to be just like the other airlines with respect to how we operate.

 

[WeAAsles]

I disagree with you on Samuelson. Really not the same game.

Governments and Corporations are all part of the same game. No one wants to overpay if they can avoid it.

And to the contrary, we won't be making half of what we're making, but rather what we SHOULD be making what we SHOULD be making as we would be operating under the same scope as other airlines.

What SHOULD you be making and how much outsourcing are you willing to accept to get there? The Industry has a few different percentages. The worst being SWA at 80%. Average is around 50% unless we’re going to move back into the conversation of UPS and FEDEX?

Let's face it, AA wants to be just like the other airlines with respect to how we operate.

I would expect them to want to dump even more work by percentages if we would agree with it.

 

[B737 driver]

Governments and Corporations are all part of the same game. No one wants to overpay if they can avoid it.



What SHOULD you be making and how much outsourcing are you willing to accept to get there? The Industry has a few different percentages. The worst being SWA at 80%. Average is around 50% unless we’re going to move back into the conversation of UPS and FEDEX?



I would expect them to want to dump even more work by percentages if we would agree with it.

UPS does no heavy maintenance and has 1400 mechanics, with wide bodies. Fed Ex is non union, SWA we have 2600 with over 750 aircraft. So if you gave Parker overhaul and only had the 6 C check lines we had at SWA how many mechanics would be left?

 

[WeAAsles]

UPS does no heavy maintenance and has 1400 mechanics, with wide bodies. Fed Ex is non union, SWA we have 2600 with over 750 aircraft. So if you gave Parker overhaul and only had the 6 C check lines we had at SWA how many mechanics would be left?

As long as these guys make $60.00 per hour they’re not going to care how many of them are left.

 

[B737 driver]

As long as these guys make $60.00 per hour they’re not going to care how many of them are left.

Well we have always contracted stuff out, and we won't change. If that's the mechanics want, and demand a vote, they can't blame their union.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well we have always contracted stuff out, and we won't change. If that's the mechanics want, and demand a vote, they can't blame their union.

They would. It’s their nature.

 

[swamt]

Developments like this may not resonate with Pilots until we contextualize the situation. Today, Southwest Airlines outsources 80 percent of all aircraft maintenance. You read that correctly - 80 cents of every dollar we spend on maintaining and repairing our aircraft is outsourced. So how does our outsourcing compare to that of our competition? Compared to Southwest Airlines' 80 percent outsourcing rate, United outsources 51 percent of its aircraft maintenance, Alaska outsources 49 percent, Delta outsources 43 percent, and American outsources only 33 percent. Spirit and Allegiant outsource approximately 20 percent, but their numbers may be skewed due to the fact that they lease most of their aircraft. And, all this is accomplished on top of already having the lowest mechanic to aircraft ratio in the industry. Southwest Airlines maintains a 3.3 AMT to aircraft ratio. UAL, AA, and DL maintain a 12.0, 11.2, and 7.2 AMT to aircraft ratio, respectively. The next closest to SWA is Alaska who still maintains a 4.3 ratio (due to Alaska's Line Mx Only- Mx program).


https://www.swapa.org/news/public-article/state-of-managerial-emergency

What's your point?

Just amazed and disappointed at those outsourcing percentages.

What he fails to comprehend is the fact that SWA has always OS 70-75% since their first day of inception. All the OS % were nego by the teamsters as well as the IAM way back in the early days, which he also fails to point out.
Another point he left out is the fact that SWA has just moved up to the 80% maker because of all the out of service aircraft. They are freeing up every person they can to work these OSA's.
The "Compliance, Compliance, Compliance" that the company was demanding during these times to get ETOPS approved has backfired on them and they won't even man up and admit it was compliant issues, instead they choose to throw the mechanics under the bus and TRY to blame them in the media.
Weez, you attempt to confuse and divide has failed. All airline mechanics already know how much SWA outsources as well as all the other airlines, it's no secret. Your trying to point out a flaw when it's been the norm for well over 45 years how SWA outsources. Get a clue mister...

 

[swamt]

AA's outsourcing percentage is on the SPEND. Ambiguous at best. Increase the spend, increase the outsourcing. It is much harder to pinpoint exactly what is being outsourced using this language.
Needless to say, AA wants outsourcing which is more reflective of the industry. And, as we all know, it is not just aircraft maintenance outsourcing.
It includes facilities/plant maintenance, fleet service and even more maintenance work.
Personally, it might make us all feel warm and fuzzy listening to Samuelson do his Quill impersonation. At the end of the day, I believe, the company will get more of what it wants than what the union will.
One way or another.

By the way, LUS outsourcing is way up there as well. LUS still uses a definitive percentage compared to LAA using the spend formula.

Exactly M&M. And the weez is even trying to make SWA look like theirs is also the spend when it is not. % of spend is more than % of the amount of maint outsourced. He, not being a mechanics and feel those numbers has no clue what he is talking about when it comes to maint outsourcing.

 

[swamt]

As long as these guys make $60.00 per hour they’re not going to care how many of them are left.

They would. It’s their nature.

And then he post these just showing more of his stupidity about mechanics in the industry, typical though.

 

[WeAAsles]

AA's outsourcing percentage is on the SPEND. Ambiguous at best. Increase the spend, increase the outsourcing. It is much harder to pinpoint exactly what is being outsourced using this language.
Needless to say, AA wants outsourcing which is more reflective of the industry. And, as we all know, it is not just aircraft maintenance outsourcing.
It includes facilities/plant maintenance, fleet service and even more maintenance work.
Personally, it might make us all feel warm and fuzzy listening to Samuelson do his Quill impersonation. At the end of the day, I believe, the company will get more of what it wants than what the union will.
One way or another.

By the way, LUS outsourcing is way up there as well. LUS still uses a definitive percentage compared to LAA using the spend formula.

Hey MetalMover does this mean that the PRESIDENT OF THE SWAPA (SWA PILOTS UNION PRESIDENT) doesn’t know what he’s talking about?

I didn’t write this did I???????

“””””Developments like this may not resonate with Pilots until we contextualize the situation. Today, Southwest Airlines outsources 80 percent of all aircraft maintenance. You read that correctly - 80 cents of every dollar we spend on maintaining and repairing our aircraft is outsourced. So how does our outsourcing compare to that of our competition? Compared to Southwest Airlines' 80 percent outsourcing rate, United outsources 51 percent of its aircraft maintenance, Alaska outsources 49 percent, Delta outsources 43 percent, and American outsources only 33 percent. Spirit and Allegiant outsource approximately 20 percent, but their numbers may be skewed due to the fact that they lease most of their aircraft. And, all this is accomplished on top of already having the lowest mechanic to aircraft ratio in the industry. Southwest Airlines maintains a 3.3 AMT to aircraft ratio. UAL, AA, and DL maintain a 12.0, 11.2, and 7.2 AMT to aircraft ratio, respectively. The next closest to SWA is Alaska who still maintains a 4.3 ratio (due to Alaska's Line Mx Only- Mx program).”””””””


https://www.swapa.org/news/public-article/state-of-managerial-emergency

 

[B737 driver]

WN got their ETOPS, you didn’t stop them.

Just waiting on the paperwork.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...val-for-hawaii-flights-gary-kelly/2983585002/

Go Figure.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...mised-to-bring-back-coal-it-s-declining-again


You are an obvious low informed voter, everything you post now will be viewed with skepticism. I bet you were one of those 2010 vote NO know nothings that cost us all $70k in cash.

Send them back to negotiations and we will get what we want!!!!! 9 years later and nothing.

You post a political tirade and justify it at the end by saying how you are educating your fellow workers about the coal industry! All I did was show how your statement was WRONG!
And this is from your own article.

“The question isn’t how much better the industry is doing under Trump, but how much worse it would have been doing without him, said Hal Quinn, president of the National Mining Association. Trump has stopped the “bloodletting” that was under way under Obama and is “taking away some of the barriers, allowing us to compete,” Quinn said.”

 

[I’ll have another]

Hey MetalMover does this mean that the PRESIDENT OF THE SWAPA (SWA PILOTS UNION PRESIDENT) doesn’t know what he’s talking about?

I didn’t write this did I???????

“””””Developments like this may not resonate with Pilots until we contextualize the situation. Today, Southwest Airlines outsources 80 percent of all aircraft maintenance. You read that correctly - 80 cents of every dollar we spend on maintaining and repairing our aircraft is outsourced. So how does our outsourcing compare to that of our competition? Compared to Southwest Airlines' 80 percent outsourcing rate, United outsources 51 percent of its aircraft maintenance, Alaska outsources 49 percent, Delta outsources 43 percent, and American outsources only 33 percent. Spirit and Allegiant outsource approximately 20 percent, but their numbers may be skewed due to the fact that they lease most of their aircraft. And, all this is accomplished on top of already having the lowest mechanic to aircraft ratio in the industry. Southwest Airlines maintains a 3.3 AMT to aircraft ratio. UAL, AA, and DL maintain a 12.0, 11.2, and 7.2 AMT to aircraft ratio, respectively. The next closest to SWA is Alaska who still maintains a 4.3 ratio (due to Alaska's Line Mx Only- Mx program).”””””””


https://www.swapa.org/news/public-article/state-of-managerial-emergency

3.3 Amt’s to aircraft ratio is about right now. The sickening thing is SWA can go as low as 2.75. Even that number is deceiving because that includes all of tech ops from what I understand. This was ratified as loa 1 back in 2009. Where I work we are so understaffed it’s pitiful.

 

[WeAAsles]

3.3 Amt’s to aircraft ratio is about right now. The sickening thing is SWA can go as low as 2.75. Even that number is deceiving because that includes all of tech ops from what I understand. This was ratified as loa 1 back in 2009. Where I work we are so understaffed it’s pitiful.

Thank you Sir. I was just quoting what the President of your Pilots Union put out and didn’t want any poor souls to get confused that they thought it was coming from me.

Good luck over there. I wish you guys nothing but the best.

 

[Buck]

2.75 AMTs at SWA and 3.3 at American.
What is an AMT?