Aircraft maint issues

[swamt]

The association will never last. The two unions have done nothing but hide the truth and been sleeping with the company. I would like to know how many outstanding grievances will be negotiated away to get what the company wants. I think we have been misrepresented for years. There is no gag order on this current negotiations, but still the local negotiator does not answer our questions completely. My God he sits at the table. Make some notes after your day negotiating!

I haven't been told anything about the grievances, but, these two unions have been known to agree to allowing outstanding grievances go away with a new contract agreement. Most companies want a fresh start on the grievances since some languages are changed, they usually use it to rid of the grievances they know they will lose, so don't be surprised if you see on T/A day, or actually I would expect this asso. to not release that until a contract is voted in and they will say that that is the norm when a new agreement is voted in, just more lies coming.

 

[bob@las-AA]

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That's awesome. Man what a great country we live in.

 

[Buck]

I haven't been told anything about the grievances, but, these two unions have been known to agree to allowing outstanding grievances go away with a new contract agreement. Most companies want a fresh start on the grievances since some languages are changed, they usually use it to rid of the grievances they know they will lose, so don't be surprised if you see on T/A day, or actually I would expect this asso. to not release that until a contract is voted in and they will say that that is the norm when a new agreement is voted in, just more lies coming.

Ridding themselves grievances is a common practice here at LAA.

 

[B737 driver]

I haven't been told anything about the grievances, but, these two unions have been known to agree to allowing outstanding grievances go away with a new contract agreement. Most companies want a fresh start on the grievances since some languages are changed, they usually use it to rid of the grievances they know they will lose, so don't be surprised if you see on T/A day, or actually I would expect this asso. to not release that until a contract is voted in and they will say that that is the norm when a new agreement is voted in, just more lies coming.

Well hope you guys get a descent contract, if not only then you can make changes over there.

 

[Real tired]

Don’t forget the infamous second vote because the membership didn’t understand what they were voting on

Take note WeAA Yankee transplant

Ah yes. The old "we are confused" revote. All because we just voted no.

Those heartfelt letters to the wives from the IAM, asking them to convince their husbands to vote yes for their "future.
Those hurtful threats of "liquidation is imminent" if we didn't vote yes.
That profitable 1.5 million dollars the company was going to pay the union if we did.

The IAM in it's finest days.

 

[swamt]

Ridding themselves grievances is a common practice here at LAA.

I kinda figured as much. Our company tries to rid of all outstanding grievances as well as lawsuits filed by individuals (not even sure if that is legal). I do understand how and why the company wants to make a clean slate with the grievs. but some are way too valuable to let go.

 

[swamt]

Ah yes. The old "we are confused" revote. All because we just voted no.

Those heartfelt letters to the wives from the IAM, asking them to convince their husbands to vote yes for their "future.
Those hurtful threats of "liquidation is imminent" if we didn't vote yes.
That profitable 1.5 million dollars the company was going to pay the union if we did.

The IAM in it's finest days.

The good ole "pay the union millions" for a second yes vote. I do remember that, I do remember the guys talking about the letters.
I also remember the TWU (was it Little, I think) that stepped in over at LAA after the members voted down something, he pulled his power and agreed with the co. for a yes passing vote by the stroke of a pen? I cannot believe that dude was not lynched for such actions over the membership's original vote.
But, that's what ya get sometimes with these industrial unions and their rules, sad, but true...

 

[Buck]

Will this be the first full contract after the B Letter?

I might have the name wrong, however the company use to pay union officers under certain conditions.
The company dump it in the Bankruptcy Court.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Will this be the first full contract after the B Letter?

I might have the name wrong, however the company use to pay union officers under certain conditions.
The company dump it in the Bankruptcy Court.

Whoa! Easy there Buck. You're assuming we are going to get a contract. Don't hold your breath for a deal anytime soon!!

 

[swamt]

Again, nothing can be guaranteed, but I don’t see section 6 happening. I am confident this will get done. You are going to see it get hot and heavy coming in January. Scope as we all know is the big article. The biggest. We will be going back and forth in january on scope. If or when we get scope agreed to, the other issues should fall in place fairly quickly.

My earlier post was made being well aware
Of where the mechanics are at. And yes they have some difficult issues. So does fleet, but not as many as mechanics for sure. I disagree with your comment on January and February being a time of slow movement. Of course, I don’t think you would mind being wrong on that one. But unless the intentions in that room change in january, you will see some movement. And imo good movement.

Some of you I know dod not visit the fleet thread, but was wondering if you guys are hearing anything like this fleet nego is posting over there? Sounds to me that he does expect some good movement but it does appear it will go at least into Feb. with the scope language. At least he does admit that the mechanics are looking a lot worse off when it comes to scope. I raise this concern because of our past discussions about the nego's always seem to benefit fleet when mechanics get concessions. I am in no way saying CB is saying this, but he does say, "not as many as mechanics for sure". It just tells me that the mechanics will be much more difficult to get thru with more issues at hand.

 

[texasreb]

The association will never last. The two unions have done nothing but hide the truth and been sleeping with the company. I would like to know how many outstanding grievances will be negotiated away to get what the company wants. I think we have been misrepresented for years. There is no gag order on this current negotiations, but still the local negotiator does not answer our questions completely. My God he sits at the table. Make some notes after your day negotiating!

That's what we said about the TWU but Tulsa has managed to keep them on the property.

 

[Buck]

That's what we said about the TWU but Tulsa has managed to keep them on the property.

If everyone that "votes" were an A&P Mechanic then Tulsa would have dumped the TWU long ago. I guess it must be time for me to verify that all of the Mechanics under the IAM are Licensed? Also under the TWU we work in a Title system. Title 1 is the mechanics, and the Facilities Maintenance is Tilte 2 etc..

Texas Reb, have you ever worked in Tulsa? If yes, then you should know that the Mechanics that wanted change, could have suceeded. The direct influence of the TWU gets the Title groups working against each other. It always makes the viscous circle Facilites as an example become convinced that trying to replace the TWU would be detrimental to their existence as well with the Machinist. Divide and conquer and keep the mechanics in their place.

 

[B737 driver]

If everyone that "votes" were an A&P Mechanic then Tulsa would have dumped the TWU long ago. I guess it must be time for me to verify that all of the Mechanics under the IAM are Licensed? Also under the TWU we work in a Title system. Title 1 is the mechanics, and the Facilities Maintenance is Tilte 2 etc..

Texas Reb, have you ever worked in Tulsa? If yes, then you should know that the Mechanics that wanted change, could have suceeded. The direct influence of the TWU gets the Title groups working against each other. It always makes the viscous circle Facilites as an example become convinced that trying to replace the TWU would be detrimental to their existence as well with the Machinist. Divide and conquer and keep the mechanics in their place.

Sounds like everyone talks a good game about change, but in the end nothing changes. People are the same everywhere.

 

[swamt]

You need to re-read the post you just answered. What he is saying is there are way too many outsiders (fleet, stock clerks ect...) non aircraft mechanics that run the union and vote rather this asso. stays or goes. The mechanics are way outnumbered when it comes votes for a repretational election. They are trying Driver, they have been trying, they are just outnumbered by the other groups within the same union.

 

[topDawg]

I guess Dawg didn’t see how the IAM ramp at UA insourced work this year.

Selectively ignored.

Are you both really this dense?

the IAM didn't insource ****. They saved some of the stations they agreed to farm out and with a scope clause that has a sun set agreement. Oh and that sun set agreement is right about the time UGE should be fully up and running.

you need to get off your knees for 5 seconds.....