Aircraft maint issues

[MetalMover]

Ok I think you got what I’m saying now. It’s about the Company Management telling you to relax cause we’re just making life easier for those Brazilians who are AA employees and we ARE NOT going to give them my buddy Conehead’s or my real buddy MetalMover’s job.

You said earlier that that Hanger still has more room in it. More room can potentially mean a job that could be done by you or your kid ending up there.

My bags can’t all be loaded in Brazil. And in some cities that aren’t staffed by TWU the vendor is wearing AA Uniforms. Should I give them a thumbs up for that clean uniform and hat?

The instructors I know that go down their for training say the hangar site has lotsa room.
I am not disagreeing with your sentiment, but I do not think this is a trend that will soon be reversed.

Now............having said all this.........if outsourcing is to continue either in its current levels or be increased and we have no control over it, would it not be better to get a contract that compensates substantially for the loss of work and decreased expenses for the company?

 

[WeAAsles]

The instructors I know that go down their for training say the hangar site has lotsa room.
I am not disagreeing with your sentiment, but I do not think this is a trend that will soon be reversed.

Maybe not. But I certainly wouldn’t discourage those guys in the TWU from doing anything and everything they can to try.

As I recall this was the Union everyone here said they wanted that they never had.

Do you think they should back off?

 

[MetalMover]

Maybe not. But I certainly wouldn’t discourage those guys in the TWU from doing anything and everything they can to try.

As I recall this was the Union everyone here said they wanted that they never had.

Do you think they should back off?

No, by all means fight for the work. But being the skeptic that I am, the fact that we are so entrenched in outsourcing coupled with the fact that even though there are plenty of examples of shoddy maintenance but with no related disasters. I think the effort will prove to bear no fruit.

And having said this...........What if the offer on the table protected ALL current employees and all change done through attrition along with a truly ILC, would we all be considered selfish SOB's if we signed on?

 

[AA89]

I was married to a Brazilian from Novo Humbergo near Porto Allegra so you can dispense with the labels ok. And I’m Irish and don’t care if they build a Hanger in my ancestral home of Ballymahon and promise to rebuild my Homestead.

What I DON’T want is to read about AA Management trying to snake you for a fool telling you to take a chill pill cause they’re AA employees and they can do a better job (cheaper) than you so hit the skids chump.

BTW wouldn’t you like your outsourcing limits tightened or do you want to be off Tue Wed on Midnights till you retire?

Dispense with the labels? Did I mention you? Nope. But there are plenty of other idiots that seem to think the Brazil hangar will be filled with illiterate villagers.
AA management isn’t fooling anyone. Most of us know that the 2 bay hangar will do more than line work. Those 2 bays will stay full and yes, there is room for expansion. If I were AA management I would build a bigger hangar and move the wide body overhaul from Mobile to Brazil if cost effective. Keeping the work under AA control is just smart.
Again, we have to protect our SCOPE. Until one ends up in a cornfield management could care less. Rework after overhaul doesn’t matter to them.

 

[AA89]

And having said this...........What if the offer on the table protected ALL current employees and all change done through attrition along with a truly ILC, would we all be considered selfish SOB's if we signed on?

It seems this may be exactly what we will be offered in a TA as management has stated that “everyone here today will have a job” It’s the movement of people in their 50’s that may doom it if it’s clear in the TA who will be affected.

 

[WeAAsles]

No, by no means fight for the work. But being the skeptic that I am, the fact that we are so entrenched in outsourcing coupled with the fact that even though there are plenty of examples of shoddy maintenance but with no related disasters. I think the effort will prove to bear no fruit.

And having said this...........What if the offer on the table protected ALL current employees and all change done through attrition along with a truly ILC, would we all be considered selfish SOB's if we signed on?

I’m not comfortable at 52 years old myself judging that question any more.

But I will say that there’s no way I could leave complete scorched Earth behind me.

Balance.

 

[WeAAsles]

It seems this may be exactly what we will be offered in a TA as management has stated that “everyone here today will have a job” It’s the movement of people in their 50’s that may doom it if it’s clear in the TA who will be affected.

I’m not sure if the Negotiators actually feel comfortable accepting something like that? And wasn’t it our Generation who called the 83 guys pricks for screwing us over?

So now that we’re older ourselves everything’s cool?

Growing old does have a way of changing ones perspective on things.

 

[MetalMover]

I’m not sure if the Negotiators actually feel comfortable accepting something like that? And wasn’t it our Generation who called the 83 guys pricks for screwing us over?

So now that we’re older ourselves everything’s cool?

Growing old does have a way of changing ones perspective on things.

No, but because of age and history, memory reminds us we have lost multitudes of jobs and members after having been promised it would not happen if we voted for contract after contract.
Also it is not as if EVERY job will be gone.

 

[WeAAsles]

No, but because of age and history, memory reminds us we have lost multitudes of jobs and members after having been promised it would not happen if we voted for contract after contract.
Also it is not as if EVERY job will be gone.

Well I’ll read my TA when it comes out and make my decision then. And I’ll be honest about that decision and not BS with the line, “Well I didn’t vote for that” that comes out of every mouth, lol.

 

[swamt]

US can farmout 50% of billable hours of heavy maintenance and also all component work is farmed out.

No line maintenance can be farmed out.

At AA they can fsrmout 35% of the maintenance budget, so AA can farmout line, heavy and component work as long as they don’t exceed the 35% of the budget.

Yes. way different formula.
Would it be safe to say LUS mechanics like their way better?

BTW, I think the recent TULE engine news, albeit good, is in exchange for something else. Don't know what, but something else.

And WHO gives the numbers of said %'s? The company does. If company wants to farm out more they will simply pad the numbers in order to make it look like they are still within the contract limits when they are really violating the contract. C'mon man, who is watching all the numbers? The company. Get a clue people...

 

[swamt]

Fake news. It’s a line hangar, no shops.

So this guy just automatically believes the company when they said that the hangar in Brazil will simply only put a roof over the existing maint they already do. What about the other line maint stations that do not have a hangar for line maint in the US? Why are they NOT getting any hangar built for them to do the line maint. under a roof? C'mon man, do you really believe that? That speaks volumes.

 

[swamt]

Dispense with the labels? Did I mention you? Nope. But there are plenty of other idiots that seem to think the Brazil hangar will be filled with illiterate villagers.
AA management isn’t fooling anyone. Most of us know that the 2 bay hangar will do more than line work. Those 2 bays will stay full and yes, there is room for expansion. If I were AA management I would build a bigger hangar and move the wide body overhaul from Mobile to Brazil if cost effective. Keeping the work under AA control is just smart.
Again, we have to protect our SCOPE. Until one ends up in a cornfield management could care less. Rework after overhaul doesn’t matter to them.

Agree about the Brazil hangar. I honestly think these two characters here in the maint thread are NOT understanding the full brunt of SCOPE as you have brought up. They just don't get what is involved with the maint side of SCOPE.

 

[767 mechanic]

SWAMT lets face it Tom has no credibility on this board. He has been caught in several lies so why would anyone believe anything that he has to say. He has done the same things that 700 did(the same person). He is one of those brain dead individuals (Industrial unionist) that wants someone else thinking for him. When I mentioned the fact that the iam only gave the members at usair 1 day to vote he said that was lie but he provided a link that proved him wrong and then when he was caught lying he said that is the way they always do it. I believe you and your coworkers have caught him in several lies also.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

And WHO gives the numbers of said %'s? The company does. If company wants to farm out more they will simply pad the numbers in order to make it look like they are still within the contract limits when they are really violating the contract. C'mon man, who is watching all the numbers? The company. Get a clue people...

It’s audited by the union on the LUS side.

Get a clue, five years and counting.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

We always vote in one day, there WASNT one days notice.

In my 28 years it’s ALWAYS done that way.