Aircraft maint issues

[AA89]

They aren’t citizens but at least they are trained by AA. I have been in training with some and they seem every bit as competent as stateside AA employees. Fools that want to characterize them as uneducated rubes that can’t understand English are idiots and really should get out more.
We have outsourcing limits and as long as they aren’t exceeded we can’t stop it. I’d rather see the work stay within AA than an outside MRO.

 

[WeAAsles]

They aren’t citizens but at least they are trained by AA. I have been in training with some and they seem every bit as competent as stateside AA employees. Fools that want to characterize them as uneducated rubes that can’t understand English are idiots and really should get out more.
We have outsourcing limits and as long as they aren’t exceeded we can’t stop it. I’d rather see the work stay within AA than an outside MRO.

I was married to a Brazilian from Novo Humbergo near Porto Allegra so you can dispense with the labels ok. And I’m Irish and don’t care if they build a Hanger in my ancestral home of Ballymahon and promise to rebuild my Homestead.

What I DON’T want is to read about AA Management trying to snake you for a fool telling you to take a chill pill cause they’re AA employees and they can do a better job (cheaper) than you so hit the skids chump.

BTW wouldn’t you like your outsourcing limits tightened or do you want to be off Tue Wed on Midnights till you retire?

 

[MetalMover]

Those are non USA Union, non USA Citizens, non USA Tax payers. So what does it matter how the Company wants to label them?

Metal could you transfer to that Brazilian Hanger and be compensated at your USA wage rate?

Neither do those employees in Europe and Asia.
I can't transfer to LHR or CDG either.
How can you be an international corporation without hiring people from those countries where you do business?
Who is suppose to service aircraft when they are all over the globe?
Should the company send mechanics on field trips just to change a tire?

WeAAsles, also keep in mind that we already have outsourcing and outsourcing language.
This trend will continue.

 

[MetalMover]

I was married to a Brazilian from Novo Humbergo near Porto Allegra so you can dispense with the labels ok. And I’m Irish and don’t care if they build a Hanger in my ancestral home of Ballymahon and promise to rebuild my Homestead.

What I DON’T want is to read about AA Management trying to snake you for a fool telling you to take a chill pill cause they’re AA employees and they can do a better job (cheaper) than you so hit the skids chump.

BTW wouldn’t you like your outsourcing limits tightened or do you want to be off Tue Wed on Midnights till you retire?

WeAAsles, the TWU already negotiated the outsourcing. Do you truly believe we are going to return to the days of 100% INsourcing?
It would be nice, but not probable.

 

[WeAAsles]

Neither do those employees in Europe and Asia.
I can't transfer to LHR or CDG either.
How can you be an international corporation without hiring people from those countries where you do business?
Who is suppose to service aircraft when they are all over the globe?

Metal I’m not arguing at all that AA doesn’t need to have workers in other Countries. I just don’t give a damn how they label them as long as they’re not taking any work that can be done here by FAA Certified, Random Drug tested, well compensated, professional, expert, A&P Licensed, spiffy USA stamp of approval AMT’s.

But I guess that’s just me?

 

[B737 driver]

Ok hold on maybe it’s me here? How exactly do any of my USA based AMT Brothers and Sisters benefit from the fact that American Airlines Management has assured us the World is just peachy keen fine and dandy because those workers “IN BRAZIL” are American Airlines (Not American) employees????????

Can I transfer down to Brazil and earn $30.00 per hour loading flights in GRU?

I wasn't saying it was great. Your language is what protects your numbers. I am glad you guys are profitable. I guarantee when American and US air were bankrupt, the company laid all kinds a people off, and happily farmed that work out to the MROs and it wouldn't mattered what union you had. The sad thing is, how many jobs came back, once American was profitable again?

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

WeAAsles.

There is work that has to be done before a plane flies back to the US, ETOPS checks, etc, so would you rather they outsource to a vendor or at least have them as AA employees?

Same thing happens all over Europe.

Its apparent you dont understand how maintenance works, and what is required to be done to a Two Engine Airplane before it flies back to the US.

At LUS we had vendors all over Europe doing the work, they werent LUS employees based in Europe, we used a combination of Monarch Airlines, Lufthansa, American and United, AA and UA had their own employees based in Europe.

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAsles, the TWU already negotiated the outsourcing. Do you truly believe we are going to return to the days of 100% INsourcing?
It would be nice, but not probable.

I didn’t say that. Just don’t like the BS Company spin “But they’re American Airlines Employees” one more time BS. Trying to scam us all.

It’s like the everything is 99 scam. It’s only $999.99. “The Potato Chips settled in the bag”

Scams.

 

[WeAAsles]

There is work that has to be done before a plane flies back to the US, ETOPS checks, etc, so would you rather they outsource to a vendor or at least have them as AA employees?

Same thing happens all over Europe.

Outside the USA (AMERICA) who cares. How in the World does that effect or help you and I or our families?

What does the Cult-ure gain some quality control? I don’t own the Cult-ure.

Vendor
AA
Same chit

 

[MetalMover]

I didn’t say that. Just don’t like the BS Company spin “But they’re American Airlines Employees” one more time BS. Trying to scam us all.

It’s like the everything is 99 scam. It’s only $999.99. “The Potato Chips settled in the bag”

Scams.

I hear what you are saying. But I just feel that it is better to have AA employees working on AA metal wherever possible.
The outsourcing practiced by airlines is mainly about $$$$.
Along with that, you won't have any government entity say that overseas maintenance is unsafe and unsecured.
That would have occurred decades ago when the practice first became popular.

And if I may be so blunt, until a plane falls out of the sky because of shoddy overseas maintenance or a terrorist related action, I wouldn't expect the governement to step in on this practice

 

[B737 driver]

I didn’t say that. Just don’t like the BS Company spin “But they’re American Airlines Employees” one more time BS. Trying to scam us all.

It’s like the everything is 99 scam. It’s only $999.99. “The Potato Chips settled in the bag”

Scams.

If they lay people off, or you lose quality of life than you can say you were scammed. That's why we,have not signed off on the language changes the company wanted. But if the aircraft is out of the country a line check has to be performed it is not cost affective to fly mechanics all over the world when you are global company, like American. You will not be in business very long. Now farming out your heavy checks because you want more profit, when your cost basis is not that much different than in the United States, that's different.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Outside the USA (AMERICA) who cares. How in the World does that effect or help you and I or our families?

What does the Cult-ure gain some quality control? I don’t own the Cult-ure.

Vendor
AA
Same chit

Its not the same, a vendor is driven my time and cost, an employee is driven by safety.

Ive seen airplanes that have had C-Checks in Costa Rica and they became cash cows for our mechanics in TPA when we had a hangar and the work had to be redone.

Ive seen the work coming out of ST Mobile Aerospace and flaps were rigged wrong and planes had to make emergency landings and we had to redo the work.

Ive seen girt bars missing on an A319 that just came out of overhaul in Mobile.

You dont graps the concept.

Look at the seats on the LAA 757s that came out of Timco in GSO.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance-disturbing-truth

 

[MetalMover]

Go right to the 13 minute tick on this video.........

 

[WeAAsles]

I hear what you are saying. But I just feel that it is better to have AA employees working on AA metal wherever possible.
The outsourcing practiced by airlines is mainly about $$$$.
Along with that, you won't have any government entity say that overseas maintenance is unsafe and unsecured.
That would have occurred decades ago when the practice first became popular.

And if I may be so blunt, until a plane falls out of the sky because of shoddy overseas maintenance or a terrorist related action, I wouldn't expect the governement to step in on this practice

Ok I think you got what I’m saying now. It’s about the Company Management telling you to relax cause we’re just making life easier for those Brazilians who are AA employees and we ARE NOT going to give them my buddy Conehead’s or my real buddy MetalMover’s job.

You said earlier that that Hanger still has more room in it. More room can potentially mean a job that could be done by you or your kid ending up there.

My bags can’t all be loaded in Brazil. And in some cities that aren’t staffed by TWU the vendor is wearing AA Uniforms. Should I give them a thumbs up for that clean uniform and hat?

 

[WeAAsles]

Its not the same, a vendor is driven my time and cost, an employee is driven by safety.

Ive seen airplanes that have had C-Checks in Costa Rica and they became cash cows for our mechanics in TPA when we had a hangar and the work had to be redone.

Ive seen the work coming out of ST Mobile Aerospace and flaps were rigged wrong and planes had to make emergency landings and we had to redo the work.

Ive seen girt bars missing on an A319 that just came out of overhaul in Mobile.

You dont graps the concept.

Look at the seats on the LAA 757s that came out of Timco in GSO.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance-disturbing-truth

Cool than actually it might stink for the USA Union represented Mechanic to have direct (huh) (American American Airlines) quality checked Brazilian, Italian, English, Guatemalan, Japanese, Costa Rican directly hired watches and stamped with the Good Housekeeping mark of approval.

Let’s get them ETOPS back off the Company’s rolls and them seats a flyin again.