Aircraft maint issues

[B737 driver]

Many would say the same about you and others using bankrupties from 2002 and 2004 as justification for substandard agreements and language.

The LUS IAM negotiators had an opportunity to improve upon the language in 2014, it was the first section six since 1999, right?

Josh

Josh he doesn't care because he sits on his superior contract language, why you American guys are sucking wind, towing the load. The same reason the IAM, doesn't help the TWU.

 

[Rogallo]

You just described the IGM mentality

 

[MetalMover]

Metal are there still some mechanics thinking more like Sep. 2018 time frame for a contract? Or are they thinking early 2018? Just curious if some have changed their timeframe as of lately???

Oh yea, there are those who don't think it will happen anytime soon. I am basing my opinion on what GP has implied. Anything can turn bad.
But since we are down the final issue(s), I cannot see it being prolonged too long since virtually every other article has been TA'd.
Every meeting from here on will be over scope most likely.

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh yea, there are those who don't think it will happen anytime soon. I am basing my opinion on what GP has implied. Anything can turn bad.
But since we are down the final issue(s), I cannot see it being prolonged too long since virtually every other article has been TA'd.
Every meeting from here on will be over scope most likely.

Hey Metal ask that guy when he thinks he’ll get an agreement with his Company? They’re over 5 years of supposedly actual Negotiations now.

I’ve heard there are “some” Mechanics over there who don’t expect an agreement till 2047.

 

[MetalMover]

Hey Metal ask that guy when he thinks he’ll get an agreement with his Company? They’re over 5 years of supposedly actual Negotiations now.

I’ve heard there are “some” Mechanics over there who don’t expect an agreement till 2047.

I think we may get one before they do.
But in all fairness, UA/CO took almost as long and they have the same union.

 

[WeAAsles]

I think we may get one before they do.
But in all fairness, UA/CO took almost as long and they have the same union.

Exactly. And Amtrak took 8 years. And they had Adolph H Smisek over there at UAL. Who the hell cares about all the crap?

Theme of the day though: “So what, who cares”

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

They drew first blood, not I.

 

[737823]

Exactly. And Amtrak took 8 years. And they had Adolph H Smisek over there at UAL. Who the hell cares about all the crap?

Theme of the day though: “So what, who cares”

Did you seriously just draw a comparison to whatever involvement Jeff Smisek had regarding prolonged JCBA negotiations at UA to the Nazi holocaust? That’s incredibly insensitive and inappropriate Weez.

Josh

 

[ATD]

I will tell you guys when we will get a contract.
When the union agrees to the LUS scope and not until then. So you guys can bs all day long on trivial matters.
The concern should be, are we going to bow to this company management that could care less who does their maintenace. Just facts.

 

[MetalMover]

I will tell you guys when we will get a contract.
When the union agrees to the LUS scope and not until then. So you guys can bs all day long on trivial matters.
The concern should be, are we going to bow to this company management that could care less who does their maintenace. Just facts.

i'm glad you said "WHEN."

 

[WeAAsles]

i'm glad you said "WHEN."

Metal when the JCBA comes out can you guys (The smart ones) tear it down and pick it apart for me to read here?

I’d like to read what you all think about it without all the distractions from others not in this Company and not in your Class and Craft either (Me)

 

[WeAAsles]

I will tell you guys when we will get a contract.
When the union agrees to the LUS scope and not until then. So you guys can bs all day long on trivial matters.
The concern should be, are we going to bow to this company management that could care less who does their maintenace. Just facts.

Can someone explain the differences between the two Scope’s and what it is precisely that AMT’s would take issue with?

Or are you referencing the Facilities Maintenance ask?

 

[MetalMover]

Can someone explain the differences between the two Scope’s and what it is precisely that AMT’s would take issue with?

Or are you referencing the Facilities Maintenance ask?

Since I have no inside scoop on scope.......no pun intended here.......If I had to venture a guess, I would say that the LUS language on outsourcing is the preferred company method. What makes the scope discussions more critical this time is that they are not talking about just aircraft maintenance. It is going to affect facilities maintenance, automotive and fleet service.
Whenever most people hear the word "outsource" in the airline biz, it automatically means outsourcing maintenance. Never does anyone think of other areas of an airline where it might apply. Remember cabin service? Red coats?
As far as the two scopes, LUS is a percentage of, I believe, HOURS, while LAA is a percentage of the maintenance spend. Simply put, increase the spend, increase the outsourcing levels.
But let us take the deicing outsourcing issue....No one wants to lose work, but I do not see anyone losing their job because deicing might be outsourced. It is a seasonal task, not one that is done day in day out. OT would be the loss here.

Asking what precisely AMT's take issue with is not an easy question to answer. Individual answers would depend on seniority and location, whether base or line. Then there are those of us who know that paycuts or inferior contracts in exchange for saving jobs does not work long term.
Older mechanics might be happy with just their retiree medical returned. Others their pensions...

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

US can farmout 50% of billable hours of heavy maintenance and also all component work is farmed out.

No line maintenance can be farmed out.

At AA they can fsrmout 35% of the maintenance budget, so AA can farmout line, heavy and component work as long as they don’t exceed the 35% of the budget.

 

[MetalMover]

US can farmout 50% of billable hours of heavy maintenance and also all component work is farmed out.

No line maintenance can be farmed out.

At AA they can fsrmout 35% of the maintenance budget, so AA can farmout line, heavy and component work as long as they don’t exceed the 35% of the budget.

Yes. way different formula.
Would it be safe to say LUS mechanics like their way better?

BTW, I think the recent TULE engine news, albeit good, is in exchange for something else. Don't know what, but something else.