Aircraft maint issues

[Rogallo]

How many times is this going to be told?

We had three rounds of concessions in two bankruptcies, 2002, 2003 and 2005.

46% of my Maintenance coworkers lost their jobs and our pension was terminated.

We got a JCBA in 2008 and a Section 6 CBA in 2014, which our Negotiations were put on hold while Parker wooed you.

So it’s our fault we’ve had two contracts since our bankruptcies and you haven’t since your chapter 11 just occurred in 2012.

Give me some of that TWO BILLION AA has to put in your frozen pension and some of your equity too.

The only IGM is you and others who blame us for your bankruptcy contract.

But it’s easier for you to blame us then to look at what really transpired.

Why don’t you blame your leadership for your lack of equality and not us.

Two can play your blame game.

Wow, I have no response to this drivel. Most of it irrelevant.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Wow, I have no response to this drivel. Most of it irrelevant.

 

[Rogallo]

Not sayin' what you post is lies. I'm sorry for all you lost while an IAM member at US. In my opinion you're pretty lucky US stayed in business long enough to merge with AA and you all have job security now.

Are we to blame for all you went through as you think we blame you for our woes? Most of what you post happened pre-merger and is quite irrelevant to our current situation.

 

[737823]

How many times is this going to be told?

We had three rounds of concessions in two bankruptcies, 2002, 2003 and 2005.

46% of my Maintenance coworkers lost their jobs and our pension was terminated.

We got a JCBA in 2008 and a Section 6 CBA in 2014, which our Negotiations were put on hold while Parker wooed you.

So it’s our fault we’ve had two contracts since our bankruptcies and you haven’t since your chapter 11 just occurred in 2012.

Give me some of that TWO BILLION AA has to put in your frozen pension and some of your equity too.

The only IGM is you and others who blame us for your bankruptcy contract.

But it’s easier for you to blame us then to look at what really transpired.

Why don’t you blame your leadership for your lack of equality and not us.

Two can play your blame game.

The 2002 round was in or outside of bankruptcy?

Yea, we can look and see what a great job they did at USAIR, the IAM started the concessions train in 2002 by opening up their contract to supposedly avoid BK, they gave the company everything they wanted, the company filed, then went back for two more rounds of concessions in BK, then they helped NWA bust AMFA only to be rewarded by being decertified when the owners of NWA sold the company to Delta.

The IAM abandoned their members at TWA. The IAM had a successorship clause but abandoned it rather than risk being screwed out of money TWA owed their pension plan and lease payments for an engine they owned.

I once had a high opinion of the IAM, they have negotiated many good contracts over the years but for the last ten they have been in a downward spiral.

Josh

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

You begrudge us for what we have, and that’s not our fault at all.

You don’t see LUS complaining about your equity (we got none in our two bankruptcies) nor are LUS complaining about the two billion dollars AA has to put in your frozen pension.

You don’t see us complaining as you have backshops and all our components are farmed out.

Place the blame on management.

And if it wasn’t for the merger you wouldn’t have the job security or the raises. All the experts stated your stand alone AA plan would have failed.

Parker gave you all a better deal instead of your own management.

Our Section 6 Negotiations were put on hold while Parker negotiated deals with you all when he didn’t even employ you.

Stop with the contact envy and think about what really happened.

Complain to Gary Peterson why LAA wasn’t brought up to some of the better items in my CBA.

Stop blaming LUS and the IAM.

To the “banker”

US filed bankruptcy in August of 2002 and again in September (I think) of 2004.

We never agreed to anything outside of bankruptcy. Bob Owens didn’t work here.

Stop with the #fake news.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry guys but this is beginning to sound like a “Woe is me pity session” coming around from every angle.

“Can’t we all just get along”

Rodney King.

 

[737823]

Fake news? The joint IAM-TWU Association official website I linked indicated TODAY that a vote would take place and hasn’t. Why did the Union site say a vote would take place and didn’t?

Josh

 

[737823]

Why should LUS get equity if you didn’t and haven’t given AA concessions?

The AA pensions had the infusion because Josh Gotbaum at the PGBC didn’t grant AAs motion to terminate the plans but rather froze them.

Besides you have the IAMNPF which we are told is the best thing since sliced bread so why sweat it?

And your people should be happy and greatfeul everyday with a huge debt of gratitude to nAAtives that they now work for American Airlines and got to keep their full occupational seniority. The career expectations, capital position, and strategic possibilities for USAIR were far bleak and more dim than the robust standalone LAA plan.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Finally just went over the top being annoying. Lost all humor for me anymore. Sorry Josh.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

My last reply to the banker.

Then on the same hand since they didnt work for LUS then they aren’t entitled to the same vacation, overtime, holidays and sick time in MY CONTRACT.

And you #fake news was in regard to you quote of Bob Owens we NEVER took concessions in 2002 outside of bankruptcy.

So keep up your fake profile as a banker. I’m fine with you and your deception.

 

[737823]

The IAM encouraged and facilitated concessions at TW and UA outside of BK.

Josh

 

[Rogallo]

Then on the same hand since they didnt work for LUS then they aren’t entitled to the same vacation, overtime, holidays and sick time in MY CONTRACT.

Dude, your mind is twisted!

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Guess that went right over your head and that was in response to the fake “banker”.

 

[swamt]

The IAM never said there would be an election.

100% wrong. It is and probably still is on the "asso." web site listed in the Q and A #5 asks if there will be a vote and the asso. answer is YES. The asso. is the combination of the IAM and the TWU so YES the IAM did in fact say that there will be a vote, stop posting before knowing the real outcome. The IAM has the exact same blame as the TWU on this issue.

 

[swamt]

The 2002 round was in or outside of bankruptcy?



Josh

We all know Josh, but it was good that you posted what Bob said back then (2002) You and Bob are correct it all started with the two unions representing as an asso. now at AA, the IAM and the TWU, but yes the IAM was the first to do it outside of BK just like the TWU did outside of BK.
Notice when wezz and this Tom character get's proven wrong they want everyone to stop bickering, or they try to change the subject. A huge trait that 700 always tried to use before he was removed from the forums. These two industrial unions have a huge history going all the way back to 1983 with concessions. Still unbelievable that they both are still there representing the mechanics, that's because they are a fleet union as a majority. Something tells me that if this asso. does not produce an ILC for the mechanics AND restore all that was taken away in past concessionary contracts then there very well may be another drive started, but I am positive they will wait until after a new contract is done like we did.