Tom Talbert 1888
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They are bringing work in.
No need to give up any jobs while AA is making record profits.
No need to give up any jobs while AA is making record profits.
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He does not understand anything about the outsourcing the company is looking for. He has also claimed that NOTHING about outsourcing has been nego yet. He is not informed at all about the maint side of things during these nego's. I agree with you 100%, you guys will not have anything that looks like a t T/A or AIP by end of this month. That's just a no brainer.
These guys don't have a clue about what will take place with maint. All that you have said has been told to them and they just do not believe it.
Swamt- looks like American has many dates set for negotiations. Aggressive schedule thru the holidays. What are the dates for SWA negotiations???? Oh- I forgot- on ice thru the NMB waiting for Federal Lawsuit litigation outcome. "Wait em out"?? Hell of negotiation tactics for the members. Go home and clean up your own mess!!!!!
Tom Talbert 1888
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So says an AMFA member at WN who isn’t in the IAM/TWU Association nor do you work at AA, yet you know what’s going on.
Sure you do,LOL!
WeAAsles
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swamt has shamefully taken this personally. He wants to see his industry Brothers and Sisters fail in misery. It would go a long way for him to be able to justify the unfortunate failure of his own group.
Sad how he takes what his leadership says as unimpeachable gospel but any and all TWU or IAM leadership are a pack of liars I guess.
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WeAAsles
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I see zero reason not to believe President Peterson who is actually in the AA JCBA Executive talks.
I also believe that more than likely on Scope and economic issues there has been at least baseline conversations with the Company that have led Brother Peterson to feel comfortable enough to make his comments.
Unfortunately people by nature have an instinct to seek out the negative rather than the positive. Maybe it’s a built in defense mechanism?
Tom Talbert 1888
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Or maybe he attacks us to hide the ineptitude of AMFA at WN, over five years in Section 6 Negotiations with NO results, NO talks scheduled. and NO end in sight.
Maybe it’s a case of a Negotiations Envy.
Maybe it’s a case of a Negotiations Envy.
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In reality you guys could be done by March of 2018. The company COO visted us not to long ago, they want to be done too, we will see how serious everyone is. I am frustrated.
Unfortuneatly misery likes company. When your group has tried your first full section section 6 bargaining under RLA since the devestation of NWA you are lost. Led by the Seham advisery group it spells all bad. History repeats itself. USAPA. Can't believe people still buy in to their lead. When swamt cleans up his mess maybe then he will be takin as credible. Clean up ur mess swamt and then come with advice. As always Go Figure?
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I’ll give em a break. Maybe they somehow missed this update. Or maybe they think 80 positions added a year from now at Tulsa, base that probably loses a hundred heads a year through attrition, is actually adding heads. I’m happy for Tulsa as they have been shrinking for 20+ years but this is a bandaid when a tourniquet is needed.
Tom Talbert 1888
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From what I’ve been told both sides want this done.
And the company approached the Association for the added dates.
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What do you want to hear?
That the TWU or the IAM has never took long for negotiations?
When I started it was those already covered by contract that voted the B-Scale in, which started a massive reset of compensation industry wide. Of the major airlines the TWU/IAM Association are the last to gain industry average compensation and used working on each others aircraft for a reason. Yes now we here at TULE can work on USAIR aircraft. The IAM mechanics and the TWU mechanics are compensated equally for wages, but a major difference in benefits. The mechanics not just at WN but at UA and DL have enjoyed better compensation for years. Doug Parker had promised us UA or DL plus 7% and now the only person I hear still repeating that is Gary Peterson, while in reality it will be 3%. Robert ISOM has stated that we are 5-10% behind them. But you had better research I believe his ORD speech when he did mention the fact that we have more Technicians per aircraft than other major airlines. It very well may be that negotiations is able to get a large compensation pay out while each Technician recieves a smaller amount. In other words the total package. I give the TWU must credit for the amount of worked saved on the engine contract. Be sure that if at any one moment the bean counters feel that we are over manned that adjustments will be made, somewhere. Also in the event that users of this forum did not know, that Oasis is scheduled to start next April. Surely you all know that the IAM mechanics are to be be paid per their old CBA for the holidays and the TWU mechanics under our CBA. HEre's hoping that we have a new negotiated contract before SW does. If we do not where are you going to be? If SW increases the mechanics compensation greater than ours, what then.
I would like to know why some of you thash swamt when I a paying user here have invited and reminded him several trimes. Are you afraid that he might know something you don't? What are you going to say if he is even right on one item? While B737 and swamt spar with each other you members of the Association only hammer swamt? I have always remembered the fact that per mechanic SW has out-paid AA for the mechanics until just recently. How many of you know what a LAA topped out compensation is? It was more than the A&P mechanic until recently without License premiums.
That the TWU or the IAM has never took long for negotiations?
When I started it was those already covered by contract that voted the B-Scale in, which started a massive reset of compensation industry wide. Of the major airlines the TWU/IAM Association are the last to gain industry average compensation and used working on each others aircraft for a reason. Yes now we here at TULE can work on USAIR aircraft. The IAM mechanics and the TWU mechanics are compensated equally for wages, but a major difference in benefits. The mechanics not just at WN but at UA and DL have enjoyed better compensation for years. Doug Parker had promised us UA or DL plus 7% and now the only person I hear still repeating that is Gary Peterson, while in reality it will be 3%. Robert ISOM has stated that we are 5-10% behind them. But you had better research I believe his ORD speech when he did mention the fact that we have more Technicians per aircraft than other major airlines. It very well may be that negotiations is able to get a large compensation pay out while each Technician recieves a smaller amount. In other words the total package. I give the TWU must credit for the amount of worked saved on the engine contract. Be sure that if at any one moment the bean counters feel that we are over manned that adjustments will be made, somewhere. Also in the event that users of this forum did not know, that Oasis is scheduled to start next April. Surely you all know that the IAM mechanics are to be be paid per their old CBA for the holidays and the TWU mechanics under our CBA. HEre's hoping that we have a new negotiated contract before SW does. If we do not where are you going to be? If SW increases the mechanics compensation greater than ours, what then.
I would like to know why some of you thash swamt when I a paying user here have invited and reminded him several trimes. Are you afraid that he might know something you don't? What are you going to say if he is even right on one item? While B737 and swamt spar with each other you members of the Association only hammer swamt? I have always remembered the fact that per mechanic SW has out-paid AA for the mechanics until just recently. How many of you know what a LAA topped out compensation is? It was more than the A&P mechanic until recently without License premiums.
