Aircraft maint issues

[swamt]

Ours is taking what seems like long to many because there are multiple contracts with differing philosophies that needed to be put together and of course a whole list of other items that held up progress that need and needed to be addressed.

Actually yours should have taken a lot sooner than it has since it’s only one contract for one group. But yes I do firmly believe your Management also meant to stall you until the rest of the industry caught up.

With us though sometimes one group has to wait for the other to catch up. Right now Fleet is waiting for Maintenance but it has been reverse in the past.

C'mon weez, where the hell you been? It's 4 groups being nego at same time at SWA with mechanics, not just one as you state. 3 new groups came in recently and have to get their very first contract. Didn't you know this?

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Wow. A lot of lead stock clerks running these contract nego's. No mechanics representing the mechanics.

clueless.
Everyone is a mechanic excluding Mark and Tim.

Guess you cant read either.

Sito Pantoja Mechanic

Ken Coley Mechanic.

John Coveney Mechanic

Tom Regan Mechanic

Sean Ryan Mechanic.

No wonder why WN is playing you like a fiddle.

#Fake News swamt

we ratified in 2014.

No lies, no spin, only lies is your posts.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Actually I heard the same but did not want to mention it until I had confirmation. Thx for that.

A WN AMT heard, did Putin tell you?

Scope hasnt even been discussed yet.

More #Fake News swamt

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Where do you get the idea that if the mechanics decide to have representation on their own it stops the other groups from having Union Representation? Are you saying that the other groups, Fleet and Stores etal are riding on the mechanics shirt tails?

Isn't the decision to allow union representation made at the NMB?

What don’t you get?

They are making an issue that there is a lead stock clerk on the negotiating committee for the IAM

I simply explained that stores is part of the mechanic and related CBA at LUS.

Some posters here want to deny stores a seat at the table and representation even though they are on the same contract and have been since 1949.

This has nothing to do with coat tail riders.

You are sorely mistaken if you think that if they paid other classifications less they would pay us more.

 

[swamt]

A WN AMT heard, did Putin tell you?

Scope hasnt even been discussed yet.

More #Fake News swamt

No Putin did not, but you did, so it's YOUR news. Keep posting your doing great.

 

[swamt]

What don’t you get?

They are making an issue that there is a lead stock clerk on the negotiating committee for the IAM

I simply explained that stores is part of the mechanic and related CBA at LUS.

Some posters here want to deny stores a seat at the table and representation even though they are on the same contract and have been since 1949.

This has nothing to do with coat tail riders.

You are sorely mistaken if you think that if they paid other classifications less they would pay us more.

Because that is what you posted. It's your info. Keep posting please.
Buck already knows what will happen when they replace their representation. Once again it was you that made it sound and look otherwise.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

C'mon weez, where the hell you been? It's 4 groups being nego at same time at SWA with mechanics, not just one as you state. 3 new groups came in recently and have to get their very first contract. Didn't you know this?

You have Mechanics, Stores, Utility, Inspectors, Planners, Material Controllers, Maintenance Controllers, Interior Mechanics, Quality Assurance, Tech Documents, and leads all under the IAM CBA.

Once again you have zero idea.

Two years and only four articles left to negotiate, and your on five years and no end in sight.

And its harder putting together two totally different contracts than doing Section 6.

But of course, it doesnt fit your your #Fake News Genre.

Here is a real CBA.

http://www.iamdl142.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/IAM-MECHANIC-AGREEMENT-July-18-2014_FINAL.pdf

And another real one

http://www.iamdl142.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/TWU_AA_Mtc-Agreement.pdf

 

[B737 driver]

You have Mechanics, Stores, Utility, Inspectors, Planners, Material Controllers, Maintenance Controllers, Interior Mechanics, Quality Assurance, Tech Documents, and leads all under the IAM CBA.

Once again you have zero idea.

Two years and only four articles left to negotiate, and your on five years and no end in sight.

And its harder putting together two totally different contracts than doing Section 6.

But of course, it doesnt fit your your #Fake News Genre.

Here is a real CBA.

http://www.iamdl142.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/IAM-MECHANIC-AGREEMENT-July-18-2014_FINAL.pdf

And another real one

http://www.iamdl142.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/TWU_AA_Mtc-Agreement.pdf

What makes you think you will get a contract, before the open date of 2018 , or beyond?

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Four articles left that’s why.

Do you think you’ll get a contract this decade at WN?

 

[Vortilon]

Regardless of Little's title at the time, he played a role in negotiations. His predecessor Ed Kosiatek was no better either. To answer your question, yes I think we would have fared a lot better had the company declared BK than what we ended up with - at least in Aircraft Maintenance. The BK judge would at least have to take a look at the industry averages of pay and benefits while deciding where and how much to cut. We compared the cuts to our counterparts at other airlines who filed for BK, and without a doubt - we took the biggest hit. Oh and it didn't stop there, our geniuses agreed to a 5 year agreement with no "snap back" provisions.

You left out Fed Ex and UPS.

You're not sure what role good ole Jimmy Little played?
Here's an old post I found - should help refresh:

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As the TWU Leadership has now deprived the union members of a voice and legitimate vote in their future, Jim Little, in the quote below appears to claim he has single handedly saved us from ourselves.

http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stori....12f4a4b23.html



Jim Little, head of the air transport division of the Transport Workers Union, wouldn't comment on Mr. Carty's departure but said he accepted the new deal because bankruptcy would be worse.

Based on these considerations and on the commitments made yesterday, our union will honor last week's vote in order to protect our members, he said. We must do everything in our power to limit exposure of our contracts and our members in bankruptcy proceedings.

What kind of union would cave to a demand that the members be deprived of a vote?

The Chapter 11 filing will likely happen anyway and that would have bought the company and the union members the time needed to legitimize this process and the agreement.

Now, we will have lawsuits, and live under a legitimate agreement for many years.

The TWU International President Sonny Hall has made many comments about the election for the President of the United States of America.

One thing is for sure. This contract ratification vote did not have any hanging or pregnant chads, but when the ATD Director has made public statements comfirming this ratification vote was not credible and then denies the members the guaranteed right to a voice in the ratification process, I think removal of the dictator controlled union is automatic.

As far as your assertion in not including UPS and Fed Ex, are they not competing for the same new talent? I always tell any young A&P Mechanics to consider UPS & Fed Ex, as well as the best paying airlines. Nobody, really wants to settle for the lower paying, small airlines. If they do, it's usually because they have ties to an area. AA just lost 5 new hire AMTs in Chicago - only days after they finished the AA B-737 Gen Fam - to SWA. Kinda hard to attract new talent when they look at our current benefits. Most are able to get the info online.

 

[B737 driver]

Four articles left that’s why.

Do you think you’ll get a contract this decade at WN?

Ours they will deal with us the company needs to, now why do you think they put on the screens at work everyday, and the chief operating officer is coming to the major maintenance bases on Nov 30 th, to tell us the company offer. We could've had a contract in 2016, a T/A if we gave the company our language. We chose not to sell it. Will your negotiating committee sell yours to make you the highest paid passenger airline, until we are done? I hope not.

 

[B737 driver]

You're not sure what role good ole Jimmy Little played?
Here's an old post I found - should help refresh:

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#2RV4, Apr 24, 2003
As the TWU Leadership has now deprived the union members of a voice and legitimate vote in their future, Jim Little, in the quote below appears to claim he has single handedly saved us from ourselves.

http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stori....12f4a4b23.html



Jim Little, head of the air transport division of the Transport Workers Union, wouldn't comment on Mr. Carty's departure but said he accepted the new deal because bankruptcy would be worse.

Based on these considerations and on the commitments made yesterday, our union will honor last week's vote in order to protect our members, he said. We must do everything in our power to limit exposure of our contracts and our members in bankruptcy proceedings.

What kind of union would cave to a demand that the members be deprived of a vote?

The Chapter 11 filing will likely happen anyway and that would have bought the company and the union members the time needed to legitimize this process and the agreement.

Now, we will have lawsuits, and live under a legitimate agreement for many years.

The TWU International President Sonny Hall has made many comments about the election for the President of the United States of America.

One thing is for sure. This contract ratification vote did not have any hanging or pregnant chads, but when the ATD Director has made public statements comfirming this ratification vote was not credible and then denies the members the guaranteed right to a voice in the ratification process, I think removal of the dictator controlled union is automatic.

As far as your assertion in not including UPS and Fed Ex, are they not competing for the same new talent? I always tell any young A&P Mechanics to consider UPS & Fed Ex, as well as the best paying airlines. Nobody, really wants to settle for the lower paying, small airlines. If they do, it's usually because they have ties to an area. AA just lost 5 new hire AMTs in Chicago - only days after they finished the AA B-737 Gen Fam - to SWA. Kinda hard to attract new talent when they look at our current benefits. Most are able to get the info online.

That says right there the young guys do not take a chance on the old companies. Makes it hard to attract new talent to grow.

 

[Buck]

What don’t you get?

They are making an issue that there is a lead stock clerk on the negotiating committee for the IAM

I simply explained that stores is part of the mechanic and related CBA at LUS.

Some posters here want to deny stores a seat at the table and representation even though they are on the same contract and have been since 1949.

This has nothing to do with coat tail riders.

You are sorely mistaken if you think that if they paid other classifications less they would pay us more.

What they are making reference to is the fact that in Industrial Unionism when the concept of a Mechanics only union is put forward the Stores and Fleet Service etc.. are left to negotiate there on contract. As an Industrial Unionist, you seem to be having a difficulty understanding the concept. This is what some mechanics have been attempting to achieve since the early 1960's. However with the most recent ruling by the NMB that placed Stores or most of them? in the mechanic's title group as related. The mechanics here including me do not want to negotiate for anyone else outside of their class and craft. That is what I was trying to explain to you. You on the other hand as an Industrial Unionist cannot seem to grasp this. This has therefore turned into the term "Riding on Coattails." Even the fact that stores now is part of the NMB's craft and class grouping, those of us that have been attempting to gain Mechanics Only union have had to yield to these new rules. I am sure that the Industrial Unions have lobbied the NMB to add the "related": to water down this attempt. Even the Facilities Maintenance is in this mix.

You and your fellow Industrial Unionist's especially at the IAM cannot understand or don't want to understand that these mechanics are not denying anyone a seat at the negotiation table, they just want mechanics speaking for them on mechanic issues, which might never be heard or even weakened with other title groups if they related are speaking for the mechanic.

I do not believe that there will be more compensation from the company, but the fact is any gains made by one could limit compensation to the other, including Stores or Fleet Service. The TWU has for many years attempted to add other classifications to the mechanic to make it difficult to gain the required percentage to obtain the representation wanted. The former CEO at American Robert Crandall, hasstated that he would like to pay his mechanics what other's in the industry make, but cannot pay Stores or Fleet Service the same as the mechanic.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Ours they will deal with us the company needs to, now why do you think they put on the screens at work everyday, and the chief operating officer is coming to the major maintenance bases on Nov 30 th, to tell us the company offer. We could've had a contract in 2016, a T/A if we gave the company our language. We chose not to sell it. Will your negotiating committee sell yours to make you the highest paid passenger airline, until we are done? I hope not.

They could have done that already.

I say the Scope will be blended from both contracts.

I say no line farmout and the outsourcing limits will be the same or less for base and shops than currently have.

When our LUS CBA was abrogated is how they farmed out the shops and there were no limits on base.

In the 2008 JCBA we obtained a protected headcount for base, certain line stations were protected and the number of line stations was also protected.

You do know the company offered us your contract?

Were told to f—k off.

 

[Buck]

What don’t you get?

They are making an issue that there is a lead stock clerk on the negotiating committee for the IAM

I simply explained that stores is part of the mechanic and related CBA at LUS.

Some posters here want to deny stores a seat at the table and representation even though they are on the same contract and have been since 1949.

This has nothing to do with coat tail riders.

You are sorely mistaken if you think that if they paid other classifications less they would pay us more.

The other day you jumped on me for not answering questions, could you do the same for me. Answer my questions.