Aircraft maint issues

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Mark Huffman.

oops, sorry yes Mark.

 

[767 mechanic]

We lost scope language in the second chapter 11 case when our CBA was abrogated, do you not understand what that means?

That means the court wiped out our CBA.

After the second chapter 11 US had the right to outsource with no limitations due to the abrogation.

In the 2008 JCBA with the HP merger, we were able to secure 50% of billable hour must be done in-house, we also gained minimum head counts for PIT and CLT Heavy Maintenance combined, and protected line stations and no outsourcing of line maintenance at all.

Thats what you call an improvement, it was less than three years outside of chapter 11.

AMFA has been at WN for 15 years and have secured only one line extra and that was in exchange for foreign outsourcing.

Big difference, but you will slant it to your own wrong idea of what happened.

And you are wrong on who the IAM allows in negotiations, one of the mechanic and related is a lead stock clerk with no District title at all. He is a shop steward in CLT.

And in the past there has been plenty of local people in negotiations, who hold no District or International office.

The vote you talk about is Boeing. My District had nothing to do with that.

No slanting needed. This is the truth. The vote that I am talking about happened at usair on your present contract. I talked to several usair mechanics. Here you go again with spin or lies however you want to call it. You have no local reps in direct negotiations.

 

[767 mechanic]

Wow 67, did not know it was basically the same as we do. Our last numbers from or liason was we were at 72.8%. Since that report I do believe we might have touched 75% but the company also has since pulled all 4 maint. lines out of Aeroman, so we are probably a lot closure to the 70% now as they were doing nose to tail 4 non stop lines of maint, if I were to guess probably 48 aircraft per year to start.
767, do you have any indications of how much more the company is asking for as far as outsourcing with the new JCBA? Good luck in the pursue of a new JCBA...

What I heard was the iam wants to allow the same amount of O/S.

 

[767 mechanic]

No they could not. McCaskill Bond covered that even if it wasn’t a merger.

M/B does not say they cannot be stapled. It says fair and equitable and that is what we determine.

 

[B737 driver]

What I heard was the iam wants to allow the same amount of O/S.

Wow you guys have your work cut out for you with the USAir group, sounds like you guys American are on your own. Hopefully turns out well.

 

[767 mechanic]

Every member on the IAM side is a US employee, except for Sito and Tim Klima

Posting fake news again I see.

More play on words

 

[WeAAsles]

No slanting needed. This is the truth. The vote that I am talking about happened at usair on your present contract. I talked to several usair mechanics. Here you go again with spin or lies however you want to call it. You have no local reps in direct negotiations.

For 90% of the Contract talks both TWU Presidents and IAM AGC’s were directly in the room from the AA Negotiators.

I know many on these boards have it in their minds and want to believe otherwise but all Presidents and AGC’s on the Negotiating Committees are informed and updated by the Executive Leaders in talks now for the TWU and IAM.

 

[WeAAsles]

What I heard was the iam wants to allow the same amount of O/S.

Unfounded and unsubstantiated rumor that I would HIGHLY and extremely doubt.

The comment in and of itself makes zero sense and comes off as completely ridiculous.

 

[WeAAsles]

M/B does not say they cannot be stapled. It says fair and equitable and that is what we determine.

The conversation (argument) is annoying anyway. Always has been always will be.

If you don’t like what they decide you can vote down your TA. Doubt it will change anything anyway? Just delay things a lot longer.

 

[WeAAsles]

Wow you guys have your work cut out for you with the USAir group, sounds like you guys American are on your own. Hopefully turns out well.

I hope you don’t always believe off the wall loopy rumors written on a blog page where everyone can hide behind fake names?

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

No slanting needed. This is the truth. The vote that I am talking about happened at usair on your present contract. I talked to several usair mechanics. Here you go again with spin or lies however you want to call it. You have no local reps in direct negotiations.

We did no such thing on our current section 6 cba that we ratified in 2014.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business...-others-approve-new-contracts-with-us-airways

No lies, no spin, only lies is your posts.

Your talking about what happened Boeing.

Mark Huffman is a Lead Stock Clerk in CLT, he is a shop steward in CLT.

Ken Coley is a heavy maintenance mechanic in CLT, who is on the Local Lodge in CLT's Grievance Committee.

So your lies are debunked.

 

[WeAAsles]

More play on words

Myself admittedly am not a personal fan of IAM Representative Klima for his past transgressions and I can’t even actually find a biography to submit but I did see somewhere something come up about him maybe being a former NWA Mechanic?

The term “Horse Trade” did come off as rather arrogant I will say. My assumption being though that this is now well in the past I suspect.

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Ltr frm T Klima to G Drummond 10242014.pdf

 

[Buck]

Why argue with this guy Swamt , I actually feel sorry for the American guys, because this guy is all about himself!!! I hope they get an industry leading contract, but they will get there without his help. And if they don't then they can shop for new representation, or keep what they have.

B737 Driver you are in Fleet Service?

 

[Buck]

So you want to deny other groups under the CBA representation at the table Mr Flip Flop?

Oh that’s right, that’s the AMFA mentality.

Where do you get the idea that if the mechanics decide to have representation on their own it stops the other groups from having Union Representation? Are you saying that the other groups, Fleet and Stores etal are riding on the mechanics shirt tails?

Isn't the decision to allow union representation made at the NMB?

 

[B737 driver]

Wez

I hope you don’t always believe off the wall loopy rumors written on a blog page where everyone can hide behind fake names?

Wezz I have been in business for almost 30 years, and they will tell you one thing to vote for a contract, and then when they have the language, the game changes. Heck where I am at, they really won't tell us what the maintenance footprint is, if you don't believe me, ask the American guys, how quickly stuff can change.