Aircraft maint issues

[Deleted member 14439]

I do not know how long you have been under the TWU umbrella, however as far as the TWU International, the membership that is in the Air
Transport Division, that is TWU 514 and TWU 591 the Line, have been like a step child. TWU Local 100 or a large portion of the International, has control over the TWU convention. This control establishes a majority when the internal workings of the convention requirews a vote, TWU 514 and 591 are out voted. I would have been surprised that you got to speak with him at all.,

Thx Buck. After 27+years I'm very familiar with this organization. Btw, ya left out local 567.

 

[B737 driver]

Now the real fight starts. Collectively we don't have the stomach for what needs to happen imho. The economics and compensation talks could very well make the last 2 years look like a long weekend at the beach in comparison.

Just don't do what we did, almost finish scope, thought you were close to a t/a on scope, and turn around and ask for more in economics. That brought us to no more mediated talks in 2017.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Scope, Insurance, Retirement and Premium Seniority is all that’s basically left.

And I don’t want the Association doing anything AMFA has done.

Over five years and no agreement and no talks.

 

[swamt]

Now the real fight starts. Collectively we don't have the stomach for what needs to happen imho. The economics and compensation talks could very well make the last 2 years look like a long weekend at the beach in comparison.

That's right, this is where the real fight starts. There are some on here that claim this will get done in 2 years. Just as Peterson has stated the scope and economics will be the most contentious and as in most cases, will more than likely take the longest.
Here's my question, is the outsourcing agreed to by the asso.? If so, what is the outsourcing agreement?? Does anyone have a clue yet how the outsourcing is looking???

Samuelson is not at the table? I thought the heavies took over negotiations in January 2017 to " expedite " those negotiations at an "Executive " level. Guess that's more of the awesome Association communication. Who is at the table then? Alex Garcia?

At executive level the lead negotiator is now Will Ferrell. They brought in this expert back in Jan 2017 to help expedite negotiations to a JCBA. Wasn't it on Jet Net? Lord knows this asso. would not inform the members of such details...

 

[swamt]

Scope, Insurance, Retirement and Premium Seniority is all that’s basically left.

And I don’t want the Association doing anything AMFA has done.

Over five years and no agreement and no talks.

You forgot pay, sick, holidays, prem pay for prem positions, time off, you know economics just as Peterson said in his update. He also noted it will take some time. Just wait until you see the details on T/A day, then I want to see you so happy to vote yes, so proud of your union, you agreeing to the outsourcing which none of this you even know about yet. It will not be as pretty as you guys are led on by the asso. of how good it will be. You know almost every single one of Gary's video updates have stated how disscusting the current offers have been for the past 2 years, and how they are a slap in the face. Do you think the company is just going to say ok, here's all the money you are asking for? No. Remember, the asso. has already agreed to D or U plus 3% on pay instead of the D plus 7% originally promised.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

You forgot pay, sick, holidays, prem pay for prem positions, time off, you know economics just as Peterson said in his update. He also noted it will take some time. Just wait until you see the details on T/A day, then I want to see you so happy to vote yes, so proud of your union, you agreeing to the outsourcing which none of this you even know about yet. It will not be as pretty as you guys are led on by the asso. of how good it will be. You know almost every single one of Gary's video updates have stated how disscusting the current offers have been for the past 2 years, and how they are a slap in the face. Do you think the company is just going to say ok, here's all the money you are asking for? No. Remember, the asso. has already agreed to D or U plus 3% on pay instead of the D plus 7% originally promised.

Nope didnt forget it.

You are not an AA AMT, I have 28 years at LUS.

Only things left in maintenance is Scope, Insurance, Pay, and Premium Seniority.

We never agreed to outsourcing at LUS, it took a CBA to be abrogated for that to happen.

And even with that, at LUS we do more work in-house than you do at WN.

Why are you posting misinformation?

And if you think I believe everything or anything that Parker and his team say, than I got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

And you and your coworkers have ALWAYS agreed to outsourcing, and you even agreed to foreign outsourcing at your last contract extension.

Five years at WN, no agreement, two years here at AA, and things are almost done.

Now go back to WN and sit in the corner and wait for the scraps WN will feed you.

 

[swamt]

Nope didnt forget it.

You are not an AA AMT, I have 28 years at LUS.

Only things left in maintenance is Scope, Insurance, Pay, and Premium Seniority.

We never agreed to outsourcing at LUS, it took a CBA to be abrogated for that to happen.

And even with that, at LUS we do more work in-house than you do at WN.

Why are you posting misinformation?

And if you think I believe everything or anything that Parker and his team say, than I got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

And you and your coworkers have ALWAYS agreed to outsourcing, and you even agreed to foreign outsourcing at your last contract extension.

Five years at WN, no agreement, two years here at AA, and things are almost done.

Now go back to WN and sit in the corner and wait for the scraps WN will feed you.

You know dam well I am not talking about the past CBA's being abrogated. The agreement to outsourcing is the current agreement this asso. is agreeing to that will be in the T/A coming to you guys. YOU DO NOT KNOW. They have not released it, now have they Tom.
I could care less that you guys did or do more maint in house than we do. The gracious teamsters are the ones to blame for those agreements for the past 30 years that they were here and allowed it all.
Not posting misinformation, you are just in denial.
I and my coworkers did not agree to foreign outsourcing. Get it right mister. The teamsters language is what allowed the outsourcing. When the company did it, AMFA stepped in filed greiv.'s and suits and were able to attach all kinds of restrictions and rules and regs to what the teamsters already agreed to allow them to do. And BTW: the company has since pulled out of Elsavador and can no longer do ANY foreign outsourcing WITHOUT AMFA's permission which was added after the teamsters left us with the wide open outsourcing language with NO restrictions what-so-ever.
Almost done? Get a clue. Not close. And if a T/A does come out at AA it will NOT be industry leading, watch and learn...

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Once again, when did you start being in our negotiations?

Scope has not been discussed, so unless you have a crystal ball or a time traveling machine, then you can say what has been agreed to, as so far nothing has.

Thats your lie #1.

You cant blame the IBT for your agreeing to Aeroman.

And you can blame AMFA for not bringing in more work than one c-check line, and you gave up foreign outsourcing for that.

You dont do any work above a C, for 700 planes.

How many years do you have at AA or US?

I have 28 at LUS, you have no clue of what will be in our TA.

Is WN not feeding you so your coming into MY house and try to steal food?

You have zero credibility on what is going on.

The one who needs to get a clue is a non-American Airlines employee who comes over to my house and tells us what is going on and what will happen, yet you have no facts to back it up, nothing, zilch.

Your grasping at straws.

Now go back to WN and ask them for some turkey tomorrow since you havent had a raise in five years.

 

[WeAAsles]

Once again, when did you start being in our negotiations?

Scope has not been discussed, so unless you have a crystal ball or a time traveling machine, then you can say what has been agreed to, as so far nothing has.

Thats your lie #1.

You cant blame the IBT for your agreeing to Aeroman.

And you can blame AMFA for not bringing in more work than one c-check line, and you gave up foreign outsourcing for that.

You dont do any work above a C, for 700 planes.

How many years do you have at AA or US?

I have 28 at LUS, you have no clue of what will be in our TA.

Is WN not feeding you so your coming into MY house and try to steal food?

You have zero credibility on what is going on.

The one who needs to get a clue is a non-American Airlines employee who comes over to my house and tells us what is going on and what will happen, yet you have no facts to back it up, nothing, zilch.

Your grasping at straws.

Now go back to WN and ask them for some turkey tomorrow since you havent had a raise in five years.

I see you’re getting a little dose of the Crystal Ball Moron we’ve been dealing with here the last few months.

He has no furniture (nothing going on) in his own house so he keeps coming into ours to squat.

He may also in his delusions think he really does work for AA? It’s pretty weird.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

I see you’re getting a little dose of the Crystal Ball Moron we’ve been dealing with here the last few months.

He has no furniture (nothing going on) in his own house so he keeps coming into ours to squat.

He may also in his delusions think he really does work for AA? It’s pretty weird.

Like a carpetbagger, trying to pimp AMFA and has nothing to show for it.

I mean anyone would realize if you have been in negotiations for over five years and have nothing to show for it and we have been in negotiations for two and almost done, who is more effective.

He needs to worry about WN and stop coming here with his fake news.

Kinda sad and pathetic if you ask me.

 

[Vortilon]

Like a carpetbagger, trying to pimp AMFA and has nothing to show for it.

I mean anyone would realize if you have been in negotiations for over five years and have nothing to show for it and we have been in negotiations for two and almost done, who is more effective.

He needs to worry about WN and stop coming here with his fake news.

Kinda sad and pathetic if you ask me.

How long was the IBT in negotiations over at UAL before they finally got a contract? Even without a contract for 5 years, SWA AMTs have the luxury of not sweating it, cause their contract was so much better than ours. As far as their outsourcing goes, that was in their business model from the beginning under the Teamsters. Any improvements made since; by the AMFA, are a step in right direction. Not too many of us on the LAA side holding our breath for a TA to be announced on December 15th. Your claim of almost being done, is very optimistic when all is factored in. Clearly, the company is gonna want more outsourcing than what the TWU is used to for A/C maint heavy checks. Word is, Facilities Maintenance, Automotive, and Stores were on the company chopping block as well. The TWU "go to" move is to have us all accept less pay and benefits in exchange for maintaining the dues payers level. The company "go to" move is to go ahead and chop the heads anyway. I've seen it for all of my 32 years with the firm.

 

[conehead777]

Like a carpetbagger, trying to pimp AMFA and has nothing to show for it.

I mean anyone would realize if you have been in negotiations for over five years and have nothing to show for it and we have been in negotiations for two and almost done, who is more effective.

He needs to worry about WN and stop coming here with his fake news.

Kinda sad and pathetic if you ask me.

Swa mechanics have it better then LAA guys now even with the pay raise they have better holidays better sick time better profit sharing. Overtime rates are better. The teamsters are the ones who went for outsourcing. You AMFA HATERS Can not get that thru your big fat skulls. And we have not got a contract yet until it’s done you can’t say how long it’s going to be done. The company and Jerry glass are holding up negotiating so we might be at 5 years allso. Parker imho dose not care for m and r he seems to cater to flight crews.

 

[WeAAsles]

A guy has a better chance of getting struck by lightning TWICE in the same week in a cloudless sky then he does getting a Aircraft Mechanic job at Southwest Airlines.

Whatever the rhyme or reason they have almost no jobs. Even if they do pay more. Oh wait a minute, I’m sorry. They USED to pay more. NOT any more.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Swa mechanics have it better then LAA guys now even with the pay raise they have better holidays better sick time better profit sharing. Overtime rates are better. The teamsters are the ones who went for outsourcing. You AMFA HATERS Can not get that thru your big fat skulls. And we have not got a contract yet until it’s done you can’t say how long it’s going to be done. The company and Jerry glass are holding up negotiating so we might be at 5 years allso. Parker imho dose not care for m and r he seems to cater to flight crews.

Four articles won’t take three more years.

AMFA has been at WN for years and no work brought in except one C check line in exchange for foreign outsourcing. A fact you all seem to ignore.

WN has 3,000 mechanics for 700 planes and don’t do any check over a C.

And if the company didnt want to settle this JCBA, why did they just come to the Association and add two more weeks of negotiations for this month and next?

 

[Go Figure]

Swamt is over trying to give his advice and wisdom and is spouting bull****. A lil dose of reality. SWA Mx last full section 6 negotiations concluded in early 2002 with the Teamsters. Amfa came in early 2003. They agrreed to an extension early on the August 2005 amendable date with pay raises and cost neutral deal. They agreed to 2nd extension in December 2008 and at that time agreed to " Foreign " outsourcing language with Aeroman in San Salvadore in exchange for pay improvements. The Teamsters have not represented them for over 5+ years. That extension took them to their current dilemna. This round is first full section 6 negotiations they have attempted. Now they are in a dilemna waiting for Federal lawsuits from both sides to start litigation early 2018- on ice in mediated talks- members on outside looking in with no idea on how to proceed. There new mantra is-" we will wait em out". Not much of choice with lawsuit litigation pending. All under the legal guidance of the Seham advisory group since 2003. Swamt blaming Teamsters for their dilemna and they have not represented the group for almost 16 years. He needs psych help or recheck his contract history. Just cause he spouts it on an Internet blog does not make it factual. He has dug deep hole. Has no idea how to get out and won't put down the shovel. Now he is trying to give his take on American negotiations and has no idea what to do in his own back yard. Misery loves company. As said previously his 3000 member group could make a nice Boy Scout jamboree gathering. Hell- American TWU assembled that in a 1 day rally. As always-Go Figure!!!!!!!