Aircraft maint issues

[Buck]

Thx Buck. After 27+years I'm very familiar with this organization. Btw, ya left out local 567.

Not left out but as I am not familiar with the other locals ( and only know people in Local 591)

 

[Buck]

Just don't do what we did, almost finish scope, thought you were close to a t/a on scope, and turn around and ask for more in economics. That brought us to no more mediated talks in 2017.

🙂Hey don't tell us how to do this🙂 we have been leaving unfinished articles in our contracts for years.
The current contract we had the ATTACHMENT 4.2- PROCESS IMPROVEMENT - BASE EMPLOYEE GAIN SHARING PLAN

 

[Buck]

Scope, Insurance, Retirement and Premium Seniority is all that’s basically left.

And I don’t want the Association doing anything AMFA has done.

Over five years and no agreement and no talks.

and always being compensated more than us at LAA

 

[Buck]

Swamt is over trying to give his advice and wisdom and is spouting bull****. A lil dose of reality. SWA Mx last full section 6 negotiations concluded in early 2002 with the Teamsters. Amfa came in early 2003. They agrreed to an extension early on the August 2005 amendable date with pay raises and cost neutral deal. They agreed to 2nd extension in December 2008 and at that time agreed to " Foreign " outsourcing language with Aeroman in San Salvadore in exchange for pay improvements. The Teamsters have not represented them for over 5+ years. That extension took them to their current dilemna. This round is first full section 6 negotiations they have attempted. Now they are in a dilemna waiting for Federal lawsuits from both sides to start litigation early 2018- on ice in mediated talks- members on outside looking in with no idea on how to proceed. There new mantra is-" we will wait em out". Not much of choice with lawsuit litigation pending. All under the legal guidance of the Seham advisory group since 2003. Swamt blaming Teamsters for their dilemna and they have not represented the group for almost 16 years. He needs psych help or recheck his contract history. Just cause he spouts it on an Internet blog does not make it factual. He has dug deep hole. Has no idea how to get out and won't put down the shovel. Now he is trying to give his take on American negotiations and has no idea what to do in his own back yard. Misery loves company. As said previously his 3000 member group could make a nice Boy Scout jamboree gathering. Hell- American TWU assembled that in a 1 day rally. As always-Go Figure!!!!!!!

The TWU has never gained anything for the mechanic in one day.

 

[B737 driver]

I see you’re getting a little dose of the Crystal Ball Moron we’ve been dealing with here the last few months.

He has no furniture (nothing going on) in his own house so he keeps coming into ours to squat.

He may also in his delusions think he really does work for AA? It’s pretty weird.

If we finish before you guys, you will probably move ahead of us.

 

[conehead777]

Swamt is over trying to give his advice and wisdom and is spouting bull****. A lil dose of reality. SWA Mx last full section 6 negotiations concluded in early 2002 with the Teamsters. Amfa came in early 2003. They agrreed to an extension early on the August 2005 amendable date with pay raises and cost neutral deal. They agreed to 2nd extension in December 2008 and at that time agreed to " Foreign " outsourcing language with Aeroman in San Salvadore in exchange for pay improvements. The Teamsters have not represented them for over 5+ years. That extension took them to their current dilemna. This round is first full section 6 negotiations they have attempted. Now they are in a dilemna waiting for Federal lawsuits from both sides to start litigation early 2018- on ice in mediated talks- members on outside looking in with no idea on how to proceed. There new mantra is-" we will wait em out". Not much of choice with lawsuit litigation pending. All under the legal guidance of the Seham advisory group since 2003. Swamt blaming Teamsters for their dilemna and they have not represented the group for almost 16 years. He needs psych help or recheck his contract history. Just cause he spouts it on an Internet blog does not make it factual. He has dug deep hole. Has no idea how to get out and won't put down the shovel. Now he is trying to give his take on American negotiations and has no idea what to do in his own back yard. Misery loves company. As said previously his 3000 member group could make a nice Boy Scout jamboree gathering. Hell- American TWU assembled that in a 1 day rally. As always-Go Figure!!!!!!!

twu in two weeks gave away pay cuts holidays vacation double and a half on holidays. Gave up double time on overtime. In 2012 they got rid of afw. And the pension was frozen Gee AMFA for me I’m ready for another card drive

 

[Buck]

Swamt is over trying to give his advice and wisdom and is spouting bull****. A lil dose of reality. SWA Mx last full section 6 negotiations concluded in early 2002 with the Teamsters. Amfa came in early 2003. They agrreed to an extension early on the August 2005 amendable date with pay raises and cost neutral deal. They agreed to 2nd extension in December 2008 and at that time agreed to " Foreign " outsourcing language with Aeroman in San Salvadore in exchange for pay improvements. The Teamsters have not represented them for over 5+ years. That extension took them to their current dilemna. This round is first full section 6 negotiations they have attempted. Now they are in a dilemna waiting for Federal lawsuits from both sides to start litigation early 2018- on ice in mediated talks- members on outside looking in with no idea on how to proceed. There new mantra is-" we will wait em out". Not much of choice with lawsuit litigation pending. All under the legal guidance of the Seham advisory group since 2003. Swamt blaming Teamsters for their dilemna and they have not represented the group for almost 16 years. He needs psych help or recheck his contract history. Just cause he spouts it on an Internet blog does not make it factual. He has dug deep hole. Has no idea how to get out and won't put down the shovel. Now he is trying to give his take on American negotiations and has no idea what to do in his own back yard. Misery loves company. As said previously his 3000 member group could make a nice Boy Scout jamboree gathering. Hell- American TWU assembled that in a 1 day rally. As always-Go Figure!!!!!!!

Are you here to decide who can post here? You are as welcome as anyone else but please leave your AMFA war at your forum.

 

[B737 driver]

twu in two weeks gave away pay cuts holidays vacation double and a half on holidays. Gave up double time on overtime. In 2012 they got rid of afw. And the pension was frozen Gee AMFA for me I’m ready for another card drive

So if you guys get a crap deal in a T/A do you vote it down, then jetison the association, and do a card drive. Or do you feel it passes and you are stuck with that deal, and nothing changes.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

twu in two weeks gave away pay cuts holidays vacation double and a half on holidays. Gave up double time on overtime. In 2012 they got rid of afw. And the pension was frozen Gee AMFA for me I’m ready for another card drive

Apples to oranges

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

and always being compensated more than us at LAA

Not at the moment.

http://amfa11.com/file_cabinet/SWA/...WA AMT Neg Fact Sheet 5 Art 15 Wage Rates.pdf

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

“Thanksgiving is here again and there is no better time to think of the reasons why you are thankful. It is a time when we bring our families together and, regardless of the challenges we faced over the past year, we collectively give thanks for what we have, each other.
The same is true of our Union family.

In addition to wishing every IAM member a Happy Thanksgiving, I’d also like to thank those IAM members who are working today, assuring millions of travelers make it home to their families and loved ones safely.”

General Vice President Sito Pantoja

 

[Deleted member 14439]

“Thanksgiving is here again and there is no better time to think of the reasons why you are thankful. It is a time when we bring our families together and, regardless of the challenges we faced over the past year, we collectively give thanks for what we have, each other.
The same is true of our Union family.

In addition to wishing every IAM member a Happy Thanksgiving, I’d also like to thank those IAM members who are working today, assuring millions of travelers make it home to their families and loved ones safely.”

General Vice President Sito Pantoja

Spiking the ball Tom? Nice.

 

[WeAAsles]

twu in two weeks gave away pay cuts holidays vacation double and a half on holidays. Gave up double time on overtime. In 2012 they got rid of afw. And the pension was frozen Gee AMFA for me I’m ready for another card drive

The answers for all in which you seek are at your disposal within this link I graciously provide to you.

http://www.uscourts.gov/services-forms/bankruptcy/bankruptcy-basics/chapter-11-bankruptcy-basics

 

[WeAAsles]

So if you guys get a crap deal in a T/A do you vote it down, then jetison the association, and do a card drive. Or do you feel it passes and you are stuck with that deal, and nothing changes.

TOS Association Represented Aircraft Maintenance professionals are currently earning thanks to their Company and Union agreement wage increases bringing them to “100 Thousand Dollars” per year. Because of that fact even if a JCBA TA is not passed the TWU/IAM Association will go back to the table and try and figure out where the issues are and if they can be corrected.

A card drive is nothing more than a hollow thread against the economic facts of 100k plus Benefits per year.

IBT UAL Mechanics voted down their first TA by 95% before they passed their second agreement. Even after a 95% NO vote do we hear any rumblings of a Card Drive over there? NO.

These Card Drive conversations here on Forums are nothing more than a boring activity to pass some time for people’s boredom. They have no chance to gain any traction to become reality.

 

[WeAAsles]

“Thanksgiving is here again and there is no better time to think of the reasons why you are thankful. It is a time when we bring our families together and, regardless of the challenges we faced over the past year, we collectively give thanks for what we have, each other.
The same is true of our Union family.

In addition to wishing every IAM member a Happy Thanksgiving, I’d also like to thank those IAM members who are working today, assuring millions of travelers make it home to their families and loved ones safely.”

General Vice President Sito Pantoja

Happy Thanksgiving.

Guide Dogs of America. A very nice charitable cause to share thank you.

Also loved seeing the pictures of those Labrador Retrievers. Had a wonderful Black Lab myself once before he passed on at 14.