I had this coversation years ago with an AMT that was a former bag smasher and we both agreed that your worth is determined by what you can get, despite what you think your worth. There are many legitimate arguments for and against an aircraft AMT making more than FM. I will say any AMT worth his salt can do electrical, plumbing, hvac, welding, machining, whatever you have to do to keep from paying out the nose for "professional" services. There were also machinists in the 90's that were temporarily put in the hangars working with AMT's that were very skilled. There are good and bad mechanics in every field. Having many conversations with Dale Lantz, former FM rep, I concluded at AA that FM had superior representatives at the table.
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If they have their licenses they are on the master seniority list.
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Did you know that we have Bag Smashers that have multiple skills also. Starting with many former pro athletes we also have Lawyers, Doctors, Business Degrees and even people who got their A@P Licenses and chose not to go into your ranks for their own personal reasons.
There are also people I’ve met in every occupation at AA that are dumber than a box of rocks. Management, Pilots, Mechanics, and others. Here on Forums for example we have plenty who can’t even coherently formulate a sentence much less understand facts presented to them. And they’re not even embarrassed to display their ignorance.
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And BTW to any of the “elitist” you’re special readers out there. There is absolutely ZERO evidence that if Fleet Service, Managers, Agents, Pilots or whoever you can think of is paid less that Aircraft Mechanics are going to be paid more.
Again there is ZERO evidence to support that fantasy.
Again there is ZERO evidence to support that fantasy.
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November 21, 2017
The Executive Negotiating Committee will be meeting with American Airlines over the weeks of November 27 & December 4; in an attempt to close out open, non-economic, items specific to the groups within M&R. The expectation out of these sessions is to move into Scope & Economics for M&R and Stores, as well as continue Fleet Service, the week of December 11.
If American Airlines is serious about their promise of giving the members the “best contract” in the industry, then the week of December 11 should prove to be instrumental in bringing these negotiations closer to closure; if not bring them to a closure.
While this letter provides a perspective of what sounds like positive movement, I caution all members to remember that no agreement can be reached, until every article is closed. Historically, Scope and Economics are the most contentious areas of any airline negotiation and if I were to leave you with any other thought I would be doing you a disservice. The only way to reach the conclusion of these negotiations, with a Tentative Agreement that our members will ratify, is if American’s leaders come to the bargaining table ready and willing to negotiate the contract they promised their employees and one our members deserve.
Fraternally,
Gary Peterson
The Executive Negotiating Committee will be meeting with American Airlines over the weeks of November 27 & December 4; in an attempt to close out open, non-economic, items specific to the groups within M&R. The expectation out of these sessions is to move into Scope & Economics for M&R and Stores, as well as continue Fleet Service, the week of December 11.
If American Airlines is serious about their promise of giving the members the “best contract” in the industry, then the week of December 11 should prove to be instrumental in bringing these negotiations closer to closure; if not bring them to a closure.
While this letter provides a perspective of what sounds like positive movement, I caution all members to remember that no agreement can be reached, until every article is closed. Historically, Scope and Economics are the most contentious areas of any airline negotiation and if I were to leave you with any other thought I would be doing you a disservice. The only way to reach the conclusion of these negotiations, with a Tentative Agreement that our members will ratify, is if American’s leaders come to the bargaining table ready and willing to negotiate the contract they promised their employees and one our members deserve.
Fraternally,
Gary Peterson
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Now the real fight starts. Collectively we don't have the stomach for what needs to happen imho. The economics and compensation talks could very well make the last 2 years look like a long weekend at the beach in comparison.
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Well the TWU at least has no one left they need to concentrate on. This article has to do with Negotiations and the new leadership in the TWU.
“Soon after the election, “I reached out to Allegiant to set up a meeting to tell them there is new TWU leadership and that I’m not going to go another six years without a contract and that we would either have favorable negotiations or we would have an escalation that neither of us wanted,” he said.
In an October 15th letter to TWU officers, Samuelsen wrote, “Our union organized Allegiant Air’s flight attendants several years ago and has subsequently been unable to win a first-time contract.
“Organizing new groups of workers is a futile effort, unless we can consistently deliver first-time contracts in the aftermath of organizing victories,” he said. “In fact, the lack of resolution at Allegiant is being used by JetBlue bosses right now to try to stymie our efforts among flight attendants there.”
“As international president, and as an executive board, we may have inherited the situation at Allegiant, but we damn sure own it now and we are going to bring an end to it, one way or another,” Samuelsen wrote.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedree...-allegiant-and-looks-to-jetblue/#bdcc6b14f457
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Samuelson has done NOTHING to impress me to date. NOTHING. I tried speaking with him at the DFW picket. He didn't have the time for me. He was too busy soaking it all in. My impression of the man is he revels in the discord of a picket. He enjoys the publicity of a good picket. He has been at the table to expedite these negotiations for nearly a year now. I'm not impressed.
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Ok I respect your opinion. I’ve never spoken to the man directly but friends of mine who have he’s left an impression on them. Very different honestly than Jim Little did.
And he’s not at the table for our talks.
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I do not know how long you have been under the TWU umbrella, however as far as the TWU International, the membership that is in the Air
Transport Division, that is TWU 514 and TWU 591 the Line, have been like a step child. TWU Local 100 or a large portion of the International, has control over the TWU convention. This control establishes a majority when the internal workings of the convention requirews a vote, TWU 514 and 591 are out voted. I would have been surprised that you got to speak with him at all.,
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Samuelson is not at the table? I thought the heavies took over negotiations in January 2017 to " expedite " those negotiations at an "Executive " level. Guess that's more of the awesome Association communication. Who is at the table then? Alex Garcia?
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They put out a letter where Samuelsen said and admitted straight out that he wouldn’t be a part of those talks cause he doesn’t know our contracts (Now watch the same old BS on Forums fly again. See this is why we need to blah blah blah)
You got Alex Garcia, Mike Mays and Gary Peterson TWU and Sito Pantoja, Thomas Reagan and Tim Klima for IAM that I know of.
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International President John Samuelsen
Sworn in as the 10th TWU International President in May of 2017, John Samuelsen is also President of TWU Local 100 in New York, representing 40,000 members at the nation’s largest public transit agency. Prior to being elevated to the office of the President, Samuelsen served as Executive Vice President since 2013.
A Brooklyn native, Samuelsen was hired by the New York City Transit Authority (NYCTA) in 1993 and was assigned to a track gang in Brooklyn, where he and his fellow union members worked under difficult and unsafe conditions. Managers ignored safety regulations, disciplined workers who spoke up, and had no respect for the workers or their union. While still in his probationary period, Samuelsen’s co-workers elected him shop steward of their local union, and he fought vigorously for their rights. By winning small battles against management abuse, the local was able to slowly turn things around.
From 2001 to 2006, Samuelsen served as chair of the Track Safety Committee, and chair of the Track Division. From 2002–2005 he was Acting Vice President of the Maintenance of Way Department, representing 7,100 workers providing essential services to NYCTA in Track, Line Equipment and Signals, Power and Structure. During that time, he also served as lead negotiator for all safety-related issues during contract bargaining between Local 100 and NYCTA, and authored the Comprehensive Track Safety Bill, passed by both houses of the New York State Legislature.
He was elected President of Local 100 in December 2009 and was elected overwhelmingly in 2012 and 2015 and continues to serve in that role, taking an active public role in New York politics and advocating on behalf of all TWU members.
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Samuelson is a Local 100 member that has done well for himself and it appears the TWU. As it says in his Bio, he is a Brooklyn native that
started as a member of Track Gang and work his way up to where he is today. TWU Local 100 controlled convention items and the Air Transport Division had little or no say in that political arena. I remember a letter this year, that said something about Samuelson being promoted at the International. If he is one of the big guns at the negotiating table, does he really have a lot of concern for the members who are mechanics or is he a just another TWU member/officer that came from New York? Only time well tell. If he has the power from his throne to force Doug Parker to hold the company to the promise of Delta +7% or even 3%. Whoever is at the negotiation table has the ability to control the local presidents and to what purpose. The torch the TWU carries is for all members to better themselves, but the LAA mechanic has been traditionally some of the lowest compensated across the indusrty. One reason use to be that our pension was one of the best in the industry, but with it being frozen that part of compensation has fallen away. Samuelson controlling the Locals from the international and those from the locals with the larger numbers controlling the vote by majority. For many years a contract was not ratified unless all Title groups were finished and the fact was that Fleet had the numbers. Of course the Line Station mechanics until recently have been angry at TULE because the interests of the mechanic were diluted by the TULE coalition.
