Aircraft maint issues

[B737 driver]

TOS Association Represented Aircraft Maintenance professionals are currently earning thanks to their Company and Union agreement wage increases bringing them to “100 Thousand Dollars” per year. Because of that fact even if a JCBA TA is not passed the TWU/IAM Association will go back to the table and try and figure out where the issues are and if they can be corrected.

A card drive is nothing more than a hollow thread against the economic facts of 100k plus Benefits per year.

IBT UAL Mechanics voted down their first TA by 95% before they passed their second agreement. Even after a 95% NO vote do we hear any rumblings of a Card Drive over there? NO.

These Card Drive conversations here on Forums are nothing more than a boring activity to pass some time for people’s boredom. They have no chance to gain any traction to become reality.

Just asking , because I hear some people saying card drive. We are easily at $100,000 ,and with our overtime, some people are making $250,000, so no one is in a hurry.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Which way is the wind blowing 737?

 

[WeAAsles]

Just asking , because I hear some people saying card drive. We are easily at $100,000 ,and with our overtime, some people are making $250,000, so no one is in a hurry.

Your Bargaining Representative acronym came into existence by a Mechanic who worked at AA 53 years ago. That individual for a very small period in time was able to organize much of the Industry into the fold before it all collapsed in to only representing roughly 3000 individuals.

The group he never could organize was his own at American Airlines and with his recent death I also believe his dream more than likely died with him.

driver let’s reiterate here.

LUS Mechanics IAM roughly 75 years
LAA Mechanics TWU roughly 75 years

Is any part of this too difficult to understand?

 

[WeAAsles]

Just asking , because I hear some people saying card drive. We are easily at $100,000 ,and with our overtime, some people are making $250,000, so no one is in a hurry.

BTW never did ask you. Who did you have to Murder to even be considered to work at SWA since they have so little jobs to offer?

It’s like having to be Charlie Bucket looking for that Willy Wonka Golden ticket to get into the Candy Factory and see the Oompa Loompa’s dance.

The Oompa Loompa’s can teach us all valuable lessons BTW if we are wise enough to listen to them.

 

[Vortilon]

The answers for all in which you seek are at your disposal within this link I graciously provide to you.

http://www.uscourts.gov/services-forms/bankruptcy/bankruptcy-basics/chapter-11-bankruptcy-basics

Your link isn't relevant to most of the the TWU give aways - since most of them occurred out of BK. Thank that rocket scientist Jim Little and his diploma mill degree.

 

[WeAAsles]

Your link isn't relevant to most of the the TWU give aways - since most of them occurred out of BK. Thank that rocket scientist Jim Little and his diploma mill degree.

Jim Little was not the TWU International President back in 2003.

So you think it would have been preferable to have given AMR the excuse to go Bankrupt that year instead?

Question? Is there any boat (Airline) you would rather have been sailing the High Sea’s on instead of the HMS AMR 2003?

(And don’t mention SWA cause I’m sure you never considered sitting in one of those chairs and they never had many anyway since they first began flying)

Here’s your choice of Major Airlines.

American
United
Delta
US Air
Northwest
Continental
Trans World Airlines

(I left out all the Low Cost Carriers you could have gotten stuck at)

Happy Thanksgiving BTW.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Bankruptcy is no friend to labor.

I’ve lived it twice, you basically have no control on what happens.

 

[WeAAsles]

Bankruptcy is no friend to labor.

I’ve lived it twice, you basically have no control on what happens.

Do you know of any Union who represented anyone in the Airline Industry going back to the modern industry era after Deregulation was signed into law that was able to ultimately beat the Court and suffered no financial losses whatsoever?

In hindsight given the opportunity would you have preferred to have been able to agree to a restructuring without going through the Court process as the Unions (APA, APFA, TWU) did at AA in 2003?

IYO should the AA Unions have called AA Managements hand to see if they were bluffing or not?

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

No unionized group has ever come out iof chapter 11 unscathed

I would have preferred outside of chapter 11 but companies prefer using it as it gives them all of the power.

 

[swamt]

Once again, when did you start being in our negotiations?

Scope has not been discussed, so unless you have a crystal ball or a time traveling machine, then you can say what has been agreed to, as so far nothing has.

Thats your lie #1.

You cant blame the IBT for your agreeing to Aeroman.

And you can blame AMFA for not bringing in more work than one c-check line, and you gave up foreign outsourcing for that.

You dont do any work above a C, for 700 planes.

How many years do you have at AA or US?

I have 28 at LUS, you have no clue of what will be in our TA.

Is WN not feeding you so your coming into MY house and try to steal food?

You have zero credibility on what is going on.

The one who needs to get a clue is a non-American Airlines employee who comes over to my house and tells us what is going on and what will happen, yet you have no facts to back it up, nothing, zilch.

Your grasping at straws.

Now go back to WN and ask them for some turkey tomorrow since you havent had a raise in five years.

You are way off dude.
Scope has been discussed, you are not aware of what was discussed yet. I will agree that scope is not a done deal but it has been discussed. This is how uninformed the membership is.
teamster language allowed the foreign outsourcing, period. What I can blame AMFA for is doubling our heavy maint lines in Dallas. AMFA brought in 2 lines of heavy maint after we fired the teamsters, c-check lines in dallas and elsewhere, back shop work and helped added hundreds of headcount since they took over. We do in fact do heavier maint than c's you need to do your homework before spouting off. Makes you look really bad and once again uninformed.
Dude, I have more credibility than some of your own at AA or US, just ask the mechanics yourself, but I know you won't. That's why I get only one disagree from you the rest are agrees and likes.
Not grasping at straws Tom, just pointing out facts. You will see when the time comes, just like when I called out that you guys will in fact have no vote over this asso. from day one. So please tell me I have no credibility here, C'mon man, get a clue.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

You are way off dude.
Scope has been discussed, you are not aware of what was discussed yet. I will agree that scope is not a done deal but it has been discussed. This is how uninformed the membership is.
teamster language allowed the foreign outsourcing, period. What I can blame AMFA for is doubling our heavy maint lines in Dallas. AMFA brought in 2 lines of heavy maint after we fired the teamsters, c-check lines in dallas and elsewhere, back shop work and helped added hundreds of headcount since they took over. We do in fact do heavier maint than c's you need to do your homework before spouting off. Makes you look really bad and once again uninformed.
Dude, I have more credibility than some of your own at AA or US, just ask the mechanics yourself, but I know you won't. That's why I get only one disagree from you the rest are agrees and likes.
Not grasping at straws Tom, just pointing out facts. You will see when the time comes, just like when I called out that you guys will in fact have no vote over this asso. from day one. So please tell me I have no credibility here, C'mon man, get a clue.

Wrong again.

Since when are you in the room at AA TWU IAM JCBA negotiations?

Stop spreading #Fake News and lies.

You have zero credibility and zero relevance here at AA.

Did WN take their ball away so you have nothing to play with?

You do four lines of Cs for 700 planes. That’s nothing and you don’t overhaul and planes nose to tail at all.

You have the highest percentage of outsourced work and in 15 years haven’t brought in a D or Q check which is the real heavy maintenance. Stop touting up garbage and stop blaming the IBT for AMFAs failure to bring real work in-house. One line of C in exchange for foreign outsourcing, nothing to be proud of at all.

Stop yelling “Hey look at me, I’m somebody “.

You are Mr Irrelevant to us here at the new AA.

 

[swamt]

Four articles won’t take three more years.

AMFA has been at WN for years and no work brought in except one C check line in exchange for foreign outsourcing. A fact you all seem to ignore.

WN has 3,000 mechanics for 700 planes and don’t do any check over a C.

And if the company didnt want to settle this JCBA, why did they just come to the Association and add two more weeks of negotiations for this month and next?

Completely wrong dude. Most all the AA'ers and even the US'ers already know what AMFA has done since we fired the teamsters. You keep posting these lies and the guys are now onto you, you sir, are the one losing all credibility even with your own co-workers and the AA'ers. Your doing great all by yourself.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Completely wrong dude. Most all the AA'ers and even the US'ers already know what AMFA has done since we fired the teamsters. You keep posting these lies and the guys are now onto you, you sir, are the one losing all credibility even with your own co-workers and the AA'ers. Your doing great all by yourself.

15 years and still no nose to tail overhaul, no D checks and no Q checks.

Four lines of C checks and one was in exchange for foreign outsourcing.

Dude you keep posting #Fake News.

The proof is right out there and yet you keep lying.

 

[Matt1200]

I spoke with one of the negotiators from the IAM and he seems to think we will have a T/A by February. I still think we are a long way off. Happy thanksgiving union brothers and sisters!

 

[WeAAsles]

I spoke with one of the negotiators from the IAM and he seems to think we will have a T/A by February. I still think we are a long way off. Happy thanksgiving union brothers and sisters!

And at one point some thought last October 2016, then word was the target was July 2017, now Gary said if the Company is serious it could be done in December 2017, and then Rez comes on the Fleet thread to say dates were added for Jan and Feb 2018.

I’m not picking any more damn Football Pool boxes and you shouldn’t either. And Reps should be honest and just say “It will be done when it’s done”

Again Happy Holidays.