Airbus Ruling

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

BUS WORK

Read the LAST "couple paragraphs". . . . .

[post="186782"][/post]​

Precisely what I was trying to say!! Unfortunately, We are in BK, and if ANYONE here thinks that they do not have a "backup" plan..... your kidding yourself. Don't anyone misunderstand what i'm saying.....This is a great win for the IAM. But......They hold the cards.... They are in BK.....and they already asked the Judge in their recent filing to outsource work!! They saw it coming, and believe me.... they prepared for it!! I just hope for whoever chooses to remain, that the IAM uses good judgement from here on..... This ruling was a no-brainer!!!...What comes next is going to be the REAL test of the resolve and fortitude of not only the IAM, but, anyone who chooses to stay, and "fight the good fight". Good luck to all who choose this shaky path!!!! I'm glad that for me personally, and for my family, that this is one burden relieved from my shoulders!!! GOOD DAY!!!!!

 

[Crzipilot]

A little off topic maybe. But I remember seeing a U 737 in singapore last summer. Did mgmt outsource any of the 737 Hvy Mtx in addition to the Airbus stuff??? 737 was still in full U colors, and looked like a U crew flying it...didn't have a chance to go across the ramp to speak with them, strange thing too...was it didn't land at singapore commercial airport (chiangi) but the military airport Paya Labar......anyone know anything?

 

[reznc]

Was it one that was loaned to the military to move troops?

 

[Crzipilot]

Was it one that was loaned to the military to move troops?

[post="186789"][/post]​

dunno...but even if moving troops..with what was moving troops around....at that time..would find it hard there would be a 737 around there...kinda long legs across the Pacific.....when there were plenty of dc10's and 747's wandering around...

 

[delldude]

and so for the past year,i believe; we have heard from a steady line of nay sayers as to U will clean our clock over this issue....
do i have to name the accused???
you all should relish in our victory...some may say it is moot...but for once this band of scallywag's has been silenced by the legal system...
will we see a monetary benefit?? i can't say and really do not see it...however you will take note....
THIS ARBITRATION DECISION HAS UNEQUIVOCABLY GIVEN IAM AN UNMISTAKEABLE RULING ON THIS PORTION OF CONTRACT LANGUAGE THAT IS NOT OR WILL NOT BE DISPUTED FROM HERE ON OUT.THIS PORTION CAN AND MOST LIKELY WILL BE SUBJECT TO INTENSE NEGOTIATION.THE MONETARY AWARD WILL BE A HUGE LEVER FOR IAM....THE WORK ISSUE IN HOUSE SHALL ALSO BE A HUGE LEVER IN THE UPCOMING COURT DIRECTED NEGOTIATIONS UNDER 1113E.
in the end...this most likely will save jobs......look at the ALPA t/a and see how U wishes no bennies for retirement after 1jan2005.....IAM SENIOR CITIZENS-WAKE UP ITS YOUR TURN SHORTLY

BRUCE-I GUESS WE'LL SEE YOU IN COURT

 

[700UW]

US returned a few 737-300/400s to the lessors this year and some of them went to Bosnia and Thailand, could have been in Singapore for maintenance.

 

[usfliboi]

I said before , this ruling is null and void now. Were in BK, plain Simple....A waste of time, money , energy..... Not saying IAM shouldnt feel good about it, but in the end the ruling makes no difference. There wont be any damages awarded either.... BK will cover that Im sure... Only time will tell!

 

[delldude]

I said before , this ruling is null and void now. Were in BK, plain Simple....A waste of time, money , energy..... Not saying IAM shouldnt feel good about it, but in the end the ruling makes no difference. There wont be any damages awarded either.... BK will cover that Im sure... Only time will tell!

[post="186820"][/post]​

good lever for our upcoming round of negotiations-

B)

 

[700UW]

Can you please explain your statements?

The arbitration award is a legal and binding procedure that the company will have to honor, just as in the last bankruptcy case, all outstanding greivances were paid and honored, and Judge Mitchell is the one who made that ruling.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

First off to all you party poopers your jealousy is showing through. Go dry up.

The machinists fought and won a battle many thought and said couldn't and wouldn't be won. Eat crow. Now you come back and say its moot point and they will not see a dime etc. You will be eating crow again if the company can survive.
Many of you think the bankruptcy court holds all the cards. You couldn't be more wrong. The company has asked for a lot. Will they get it? Most likely not.


1. The Airbus heavy maintenance is the legally the machinists work.

2. I may be wrong but I do not think the judge can or will rule that heavy maintenance can be outsourced on a temporary basis under section 1113 (e).

3. My guess is the monetary award agreed on will be what it actually would have cost the airline to do it in house NOT what Singapore was paid.

4. Those unfamiliar with bankruptcy and section 1113 need to read up before you spout off. IF the judge abrogates the contract he must by law treat all parties fairly and equally as it applies to monetary givebacks. That there my friends throws out your doom and gloom forecast of outsourcing heavy maintenance (now legally the machinists work) and massive layoffs unless of course other groups face similar givebacks. I am not sure but would venture to say the "fairness and equality" would also apply to any temporary givebacks under section 1113(e).

5. #4 above blows A320's stupid rants about how groups will be at the mercy of the company and the judge if they are not willing to bend over and take it like he so willingly has.

6. Most of you seem to think the machinists will get nothing as far as an award. I think they will maybe not cash but used towards their so called "transformation plan givebacks"

All this above applies only if the company can, not that they deserve to, come out of chap 11.

Great job standing up to the company machinists and bad on you a320 for acting like a spineless human being interested only in your selfish self

 

[delldude]

usairways_vote_NO-
thanks for the words of support!

 

[USA320Pilot]

I was surpirsed at the A320 overhaul ruling, but now what. The company is serving a S.1113(e) motion on the IAM, which would impose worse conditions and outsource the maintenance.

Arnold & Porter will argue in court next Thursday that the ruling will increase the company's maintenance cost, which could increase the chance for the judge to tule in the company's favor to impose a 23% pay cut, permit the overhaul to be done off-site, and permit outsourcing.

Therefore, what has the IAM really won?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[delldude]

I was surpirsed at the A320 overhaul ruling, but now what. The company is serving a S.1113(e) motion on the IAM, which would impose worse conditions and outsource the maintenance.

Arnold & Porter will argue in court next Thursday that the ruling will increase the company's maintenance cost, which could increase the chance for the judge to tule in the company's favor to impose a 23% pay cut, permit the overhaul to be done off-site, and permit outsourcing.

Therefore, what has the IAM really won?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

[post="186831"][/post]​

i can't take it anymore....ahhh!

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

I was surpirsed at the A320 overhaul ruling, but now what. The company is serving a S.1113(e) motion on the IAM, which would impose worse conditions and outsource the maintenance.

Arnold & Porter will argue in court next Thursday that the ruling will increase the company's maintenance cost, which could increase the chance for the judge to tule in the company's favor to impose a 23% pay cut, permit the overhaul to be done off-site, and permit outsourcing.

Therefore, what has the IAM really won?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

[post="186831"][/post]​

Why are you surprised?? You are always wrong. Just as you will be about having worse conditions and the outsourcing of heavy maintenance under section 1113(e). Why do you continue to post like you are always right when you are continually blown out of the water and proved mistaken, a liar or both?

What part of section 1113 and 1113 (e) don't you understand?

Delldude, you guys deserve it!!!

 

[Dizel8]

"and outsource the maintenance."

The ruling was that they could not, now you think the judge will over turn this? Personally I strongly doubt it, but time will tell.