NoMoreKoolAid
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- Nov 12, 2007
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Fine, back it up with facts not just name calling and accusations. You disagree fine but at least have something to refute.
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Fine, back it up with facts not just name calling and accusations. You disagree fine but at least have something to refute.
I have to agree - this person is quite the troublemaker over here in the West operations. I'm not going to out and out use names here - but I would advise everyone takes what HeartAirbus posts with several grains of salt.
At least here on the boards you can just click a new link... not much fun sitting in the hot-room with him at all... h34r:
How will she explain to her members while trying to protect their "precious" PHX for the duration of their current contract, they will do without a pay raise, without better duty rigs, without a better livable reserve system and the list goes on. All of those things and more her members will do without until their current contract expires (3 MORE YEARS). This will happen, eventually. Why would she deny her members better wages, working conditions, work rules etc to protect PHX from being open to transfers? Does she think maybe some of her members would like to leave PHX and see more of the world? I realize to those in PHX you think its the mecca, but guess again. There is more flying opportunity in PHL and CLT then PHX will ever see. The majority of us on the East go where the flying is, sorry guys but its not PHX.What do you guys think about Lisa LeCarre (west mec pres.) holding up all the f/a negotiations by cancelling the last 3 east/west/company talks... I think it's complete crap and she's got alot of nerve.... I've heard from several f/a's that she doesn't want the contract to go through or make a whole lot of head way in talks because she wants to protect the "senior" ppl by stalling, thus preventing the transfer in of "more" senior f/a's into phx. She is a joke and I'm ebarrassed we voted her in. By the way her husband is a west pilot and so obviously influences her alot at home as with what to do/say about our negotiations. East and there mec/lec's need to know she is only out for herself and the top numbers on phx seniority list.
While I am disappointed in 3 canceled sessions I completely understand what a mother hen would do to protect her own which is the entire West. Lisa was elected with the direction of not allowing anyone to cross into the Arizona property and it's what she ran on.
You shouldn't resent those of us on the East at all! WE didn't negotiate the contract you work under. Turn around and look at "our" management, they are they ones that we should all be turning our resentment too. Equal pay for Equal work is what the union is trying to do in a single agreement. Think of how much faster that could be done IF the East and West could find common ground and organize ourselves to stand behind our negotiating teams and get this finished. As long as there is a continues to be a line seperating us at the AZ border the company is in complete control. As long as Council 66 has a President who wants to patrol that border you will not get a pay raise. Both contracts remain in effect until Dec. 2011, that is 3 more years. Do you want to wait a mininum of 3 more years, do you want to work under your current contract for 3 more years?I am reserve on the West Side who took a VLOA for November because I could not pay my bills on the amount of company time that is presently available to us. I tried to pick up as much time as possible from the ETB but you would check and check and practically nothing would be available. I was driving into the airport to do AUTOS that would total between 2:30 and 3:30 hours of credit per day. Tying up an entire day for that amount of credit didn't work it so I VLOA and moved home with the parents. It was a sad but good decision. I was making so little that I going under fast.
Plus the toxic attitudes the flight attendants, the name calling is so Mean Girls Jr. High School, so it was somewhat of a relief to take a break even though I love flying.
In the long hours of the Hot Room we looked at the East Contract online and compared the pay their with the pay on the West. If I was on the East I would have made $370 more per month in my last 2 months flying using their pay scale and their 73 hour guarantee. I move up in longevity with in 2 more years the difference is $505 more per month. We were surprised.
If their ever are Furloughs it will be the reserves who go. The East contract has Furlough pay, at least enough to get you through a month or 2. The West furloughs will get nothing. So your typical reserve here can't save anything and won't get anything if the worst happens.
The contact is very important to those of us on the bottom.
Everyone talks about everyone else lying. What is the truth? Both the East and West Negotiation updates say that in both September and October that the MEC met with each other but not the company. Is this normal?
I pay my dues when on VLOA as it is my responsibility to do so. Isn't equal pay for equal work one of the basic responsibilities of the Union? I don't want to feel resentment against people I don't even know but it feels bad to wear the same uniform and yet be paid so much less.
I understand that the senior people do not have the same pressures as the reserves, their quality of life is something they want to preserve. I understand that the Unions want us to be patient so they can get the very best of both, But for the reserves time is running out at our present rate of flying time available and take home pay.
Happy Holidays to you all.
I beg your pardon, but this is the EAST flight attendants fault, why? We can't give you a pay raise. Its your management running this dog and pony show.You have it all wrong!! Our contract at Union 66 expired in 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not 2011! We are on a very stale contract, HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????? You are getting some of your money back UNTIL 2011, America West employees NOTHING! Topped out folks for 10yrs at 38 dollars!! Give me a break! Negotiate and get US pay Parity on the West NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
You shouldn't resent those of us on the East at all! WE didn't negotiate the contract you work under. Turn around and look at "our" management, they are they ones that we should all be turning our resentment too. Equal pay for Equal work is what the union is trying to do in a single agreement. Think of how much faster that could be done IF the East and West could find common ground and organize ourselves to stand behind our negotiating teams and get this finished. As long as there is a continues to be a line seperating us at the AZ border the company is in complete control. As long as Council 66 has a President who wants to patrol that border you will not get a pay raise. Both contracts remain in effect until Dec. 2011, that is 3 more years. Do you want to wait a mininum of 3 more years, do you want to work under your current contract for 3 more years?
For the record, we have reserves living on dog food because thats all they can afford. They may make $300-500 dollars more a month, thats nothing being based in NYC or PHL for that matter. We certainly feel your pain, thankfully you have family that can help you out. I'm sure that wasn't an easy decision to make. Hang in there, call your President, organize your members.
United we will STAND
Divided we will FALL-proof of that is its been 3 years since this merger and it doesn't take 3 years to negotiate a contract.
It is really sad that the West wants parity with the East considering how we have lost so much. Many on the East do not consider this contract livable. It's a far, far cry from what it once was. I can't imagine being on the Wests' pay, it's insulting.You have it all wrong!! Our contract at Union 66 expired in 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not 2011! We are on a very stale contract, HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????? You on the East are getting some of your money back UNTIL 2011, America West employees NOTHING! Our Senior folks have been Topped out for 10yrs at 38 dollars!! Give me a break! PHL, CLT, BOS , whatever???! Cry me a River, we still make LESS!!!!
Negotiate and get US pay Parity on the West, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
It is really sad that the West wants parity with the East considering how we have lost so much. Many on the East do not consider this contract livable. It's a far, far cry from what it once was. I can't imagine being on the Wests' pay, it's insulting.