AFA Tentative Details Released

[nic4us]

Its the FA jumpseat, not a Pilot jumpseat, move on and worry about your own CBA, not the FAs.

God the egos of the pilots is annoying all ready, everything is about them.

Why dont you worry about your own CBA, oh wait, your union cant even negotiate one, lol!

Complete T/A

Thanks for the link!!

Found this:

F. MINIMUM AIRCRAFT/DAILY UTILIZATION
1. The minimum fleet and daily utilization provisions contained in the Pilot Transition
Agreement dated September 23, 2005, as described in Paragraphs F.2 and F.3 below, as
modified or eliminated by the Company’s pilots, shall be provided to the Flight Attendants

and this;

1. International flying is any operating or deadheading outside the forty-eight (48) contiguous
United States with the exception of the Bahamas, Canada, and Alaska. This exception does
not apply if a flight originates outside the contiguous forty-eight (48) United States and
proceeds non-stop to Bahamas, Canada, or Alaska and vise versa. If the Company agrees
with the Pilots that the Bahamas is considered International flying, then the Bahamas shall be
considered International flying for Flight Attendants.

and this;

However, in no
instance will a Flight Attendant be credited with less time than a pilot for the same
airport combination.

and this;

Such meals shall be the
same as those provided the Pilots.


As a matter of fact, if you just put "pilot" in the search window of the adobe reader of the f/a TA, it looks like you are correct and that the f/a's agree with you and everything is about the pilots.

 

[nic4us]

And I commend and respect 99.9% of you guys and understand who is in command of the a/c. Just never thought of a pilot as my supervisor. A big difference. As far as the j/s goes, the afa east has strict language about the use of the cabin jump seat. I once had a United f/a ride the actual jumpseat. She never took off her jacket and we all assumed she was a US f/a until I asked her inflight where she was based and she said Chicago. I never said a word, but within a couple of weeks the union called and me and was furious. Not sure how they found out. The union feels as though if that language is changed to allow other groups to ride the cabin jump seat, where does it end? Mechanics are also more than qualified to open the doors, should they be allowed to commute home also? Keep it simple.. US flight attendants ONLY. Now if we could ride the cockpit jump seat.. that would change everything.

From what I just read in the TA, it looked like OAL f/a's could occupy the actual jumpseat without a pax seat in the cabin.

 

[nic4us]

Who said our way or the highway? The west has been fully engaged in this contract. You are jumping to conclusions that have no basis in fact.

Take a nap or a walk. Shake it off.

You said it has always been in the contract, implying that because it has been in the east contract, that is the only right way to do things. That is what I am absolutely opposed to, that mentality of east makes right. If that was not your position, please accept my apology.

As I said before, this is really a low priority issue for me personally. Other than that I on rare occasion have been asked to settle a dispute over who is going to get to ride the thing between two competing f/a's and would like to know the priorities to make the correct decision, I really do not give a darn.

I am glad the West f/a's have been engaged, and if they think it is time to end the practice, so be it!!


PS. I found it somewhat amusing that as part of your contract, the cabin jumpseater has the obligation to introduce themselves to the other f/a's. When I am aware of cabin jumps prior to the crew brief, I always ask the B if it is okay with them to have the rider. Of course they always say yes, and give me a puzzled look of why am I asking?? Its the little things in life that really make it interesting!!

 

[flybynite]

You said it has always been in the contract, implying that because it has been in the east contract, that is the only right way to do things. That is what I am absolutely opposed to, that mentality of east makes right. If that was not your position, please accept my apology.

As I said before, this is really a low priority issue for me personally. Other than that I on rare occasion have been asked to settle a dispute over who is going to get to ride the thing between two competing f/a's and would like to know the priorities to make the correct decision, I really do not give a darn.

I am glad the West f/a's have been engaged, and if they think it is time to end the practice, so be it!!


PS. I found it somewhat amusing that as part of your contract, the cabin jumpseater has the obligation to introduce themselves to the other f/a's. When I am aware of cabin jumps prior to the crew brief, I always ask the B if it is okay with them to have the rider. Of course they always say yes, and give me a puzzled look of why am I asking?? Its the little things in life that really make it interesting!!

No, what I said was....it's always been in "our" contract and I didn't imply what you were implying.

Apology accepted

 

[Phoenix]

Perhaps an enlightened SELF Interest?

You more self interest in the issues than someone who is retired.

 

[Phoenix]

I think the F/A jumpseat should be made available to the pilots. We know how to operate the doors. The West pilots can ride the F/A jumpseat, but I don't think it's a contractual thing... It would be nice to have that ability.

ebwgs, why are you agianst a pilot in the F/A jumpseat? If the jumpseat is open, you would rather leave a fellow employee behind in the terminal that is trying to get home to his/her family or to work? Really? Remember, that although the West pilots can ride the F/A jumpseat, F/A's have priority over the pilots for the seat. So if a pilot has it and a F/A comes up for it, it will be the F/A's... The only way a pilot can ride is if the seat would have been empty...

I never want to ride in an FAs jump seat. I was never trained in their safety and security duties, which invole far more than just opening a door.

 

[Move2CLT]

I never want to ride in an FAs jump seat. I was never trained in their safety and security duties, which invole far more than just opening a door.

Do it all the time out west and it gets another pilot to or from work.

And you don't have to be trained to do anything else but open a door. Even an eastie can do that.

 

[FlyUs]

From what I just read in the TA, it looked like OAL f/a's could occupy the actual jumpseat without a pax seat in the cabin.

That is interesting.. Have to see where that goes

 

[Onestep2flt]

A quote from Admiral James Stockdale in the 92 vice presidential debate about sums up the last couple pages of this thread. " I feel I am an observer at a ping pong game"! It has once again become a pilot argument over an issue, while I am sure is important (jump seat) should not be the main focus of conversation here. I don't know how all your rules work here. It appears the east coast folks had it as a contractual provision for a long time. The west folks allowed other folks to occupy this seat if it did not affect a flight attendant. My personal opinion for what it is worth would be as long as you do not bump a flight attendant it makes no sense to leave someone behind. Perhaps limiting to only US Airways pilots. That being said you as a flight attendant should be allowed in the cockpit as long as it does not take away from a pilot. Someone mentioned about DHS rules or whatever agency with three letter acronyms may be involved. IF the parties really wanted (company/union) I am sure after lots of lobbying it could accomplished. I think that is the key though. Probably not much interest with either party to spend the time and money on trying to make it happen. Maybe someday who knows. Also of note here. I would think that after almost seven years of negotiating that nobody should have been blind sided on this issue. I would certainly think that the west negotiators could have somehow thrown smoke signals or something to the folks that might loose this benefit. It could have actually been a moment where the pilots might have come together for a brief moment to work with the flight attendant union on this issue. It just seems like this could have been one shining moment that could have benefited all parties.

Alas, that is not what this thread is about though. It is about the ENTIRE AFA tentative agreement.

 

[cynic]

Someone mentioned about DHS rules or whatever agency with three letter acronyms may be involved. IF the parties really wanted (company/union) I am sure after lots of lobbying it could accomplished.

Hell, one of the wholly owned carriers has it from what I was told.

 

[ggiby]

Oh, I can see working with you is going to be a joy.

NOT.... put eye drops in his coffee!!! LOL

 

[flybynite]

Now sweetheart, you don't. You're taking an OPEN jumpseat that doesn't carry an FA on revenue flights. The FA for that particular door is still responsible for said door.

Tell me, do we send passengers to recurrent so they can sit in our exit rows?

And are you still hung up on the call sign thing? I'm surprised because when I go through CLT or PHL, it seems to be rolling of your lips very smoothly these days.

Oh,for Pete's Sake!

Please tell the folks out here how you're supposed to get briefed and receive a special briefing card reviewing emergency exit procedures. Pilots are not qualified for emergency exit procedures on all aircraft...just the "one" they operate.

You are not qualified on most of our fleet. E190, AB330, 767....
If we had an emergency...you'd be in the damn way!

 

[ContUNITEus]

WOOOOWWWW.....

 

[SparrowHawk]

Soooo Has anyone actually seen a copy of the agreement in its entirety? How is the member supposed to make an informed choice without all the information?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Someone posted that it is on the AFA site.

Jim