AFA Tentative Details Released

[flybynite]

It has always been in our contract that the only people allowed f/a jumpseat are those f/a's on the USairways system seniority list. We don't let f/a's from other carriers on our j/s either unlike the pilots who can j/s on other carriers.

 

[nic4us]

This is a FA TA agreement thread ..Not a pilot thread . We cannot ride the cockpit js nor can a pilot ride the fa js. There ! End of story . What's so hard to understand about that ?? Can we please move on !!

The actuall fact of the matter, and what is obviously hard for you to understand, is that the pilots can indeed at the present time ride cabin jumpseat. But, in line with the topic of this thread, the tenative agreement would remove that benefit.

Please do move on. But, when considering the ramifications of your tentative agreement, please do consider what is being given away and what is being gained. The first step in that process is knowing what is being given away.

You may see the pilots being denied a currently allowed practice as a benefit to the f/a's,,,that is fine. Like I said previously, it is a really low priority issue.


One more thing, in line with the topic of this thread. Your TA, if ratified effects me as a pilot. The removal of my cabin jumpseat benefit being just one minor, somewhat inconsequential, example. Once a joint f/a contract is ratified, as a captain, it helps for me to have at least a basic understanding of the terms of your contract in order to effectively do my job.

So, lets conduct a little experiment here in the TA thread, by asking a simple question.

When on duty, who is an f/a's immediate supervisor, and why would pilots be interested in this thread?

 

[flybynite]

Oh, I can see working with you is going to be a joy.

 

[algflyr]

It has always been in our contract that the only people allowed f/a jumpseat are those f/a's on the USairways system seniority list. We don't let f/a's from other carriers on our j/s either unlike the pilots who can j/s on other carriers.

Well we do let f/a's from other airlines jumpseat on our planes. Granted they may not be able sit in the cabin JS. Our f/a's can also j/s on other carriers. And there are some pilots that can jumpseat on us, but have to sit in the back and not allowed to ride in the cockpit... But I did read the wording in the current F/A contract and you are correct in that language. What started this was just someone asking if the TA may change that... It was an honest question about the new TA...

And 700UW, you are right, this does not affect me at all. I live in base and don't commute, but we have many that do, and this would be a nice, no-cost to anyone, ability to have... The question that started this debate was just a pilot asking about a possible provision in the new TA, then ewbgs felt the need to start in on this issue and reveal they didn't want pilots on the cabin J/S no matter what...

But this shouldn't be the main issue in this thread. Much more important things to talk about in the new TA... So I am done with this issue and won't say anything else about it...

So, with that said, has the complete TA been released yet? I didn't see it on Wings earlier when I looked...

 

[700UW]

Its the FA jumpseat, not a Pilot jumpseat, move on and worry about your own CBA, not the FAs.

God the egos of the pilots is annoying all ready, everything is about them.

Why dont you worry about your own CBA, oh wait, your union cant even negotiate one, lol!

Complete T/A

 

[FlyUs]

The actuall fact of the matter, and what is obviously hard for you to understand, is that the pilots can indeed at the present time ride cabin jumpseat. But, in line with the topic of this thread, the tenative agreement would remove that benefit.

Please do move on. But, when considering the ramifications of your tentative agreement, please do consider what is being given away and what is being gained. The first step in that process is knowing what is being given away.

You may see the pilots being denied a currently allowed practice as a benefit to the f/a's,,,that is fine. Like I said previously, it is a really low priority issue.


One more thing, in line with the topic of this thread. Your TA, if ratified effects me as a pilot. The removal of my cabin jumpseat benefit being just one minor, somewhat inconsequential, example. Once a joint f/a contract is ratified, as a captain, it helps for me to have at least a basic understanding of the terms of your contract in order to effectively do my job.

So, lets conduct a little experiment here in the TA thread, by asking a simple question.

When on duty, who is an f/a's immediate supervisor, and why would pilots be interested in this thread?

LOL. I've been flying for 20yrs and never once have I ever felt as though a pilot was my supervisor.

 

[nic4us]

It has always been in our contract that the only people allowed f/a jumpseat are those f/a's on the USairways system seniority list. We don't let f/a's from other carriers on our j/s either unlike the pilots who can j/s on other carriers.

Okay, here is the problem I have with this issue.


You are negotiating a JOINT CONTRACT. It was NEVER in any contract of a very large percentage of the f/a's who's contract will be replaced by this JOINT contract. What you had in the past is of course relevant, but it is by no means controlling, and in this case, from my perspective, not even a past practice. In other words, you are wrong, it has never been the f/a contract as far as I am concerned, and you are actually adding it!

 

[nic4us]

LOL. I've been flying for 20yrs and never once have I ever felt as though a pilot was my supervisor.

Cool beans,

I have been flying for 35 years, and never once had any doubt of who was.

 

[flybynite]

Okay, here is the problem I have with this issue.


You are negotiating a JOINT CONTRACT. It was NEVER in any contract of a very large percentage of the f/a's who's contract will be replaced by this JOINT contract. What you had in the past is of course relevant, but it is by no means controlling, and in this case, from my perspective, not even a past practice. In other words, you are wrong, it has never been the f/a contract as far as I am concerned, and you are actually adding it!

Yes, we have negotiated a joint contract. We have at least 4 pages devoted to this issue in our current contract. (east) Nothing has changed.

What you mean is it wasn't in the west contract.

Now, I just read the TA. Maybe you should do the same.

 

[nic4us]

Yes, we have negotiated a joint contract. We have at least 4 pages devoted to this issue in our current contract. (east) Nothing has changed.

What you mean is it wasn't in the west contract.

Now, I just read the TA. Maybe you should do the same.

No what I mean is, just like the east pilot group, you are making a huge mistake in thinking your way or the highway.


PS, I do hope you find me a joy to fly with, and I look forward to the f/a's reaching a ratified contract so that becomes possible.

 

[Pi brat]

LOL. I've been flying for 20yrs and never once have I ever felt as though a pilot was my supervisor.

Maybe that is because of your definition of supervisor? I think 99.9% of F/As understand who is in command of the A/C, but few of us get into the issues of your supervisors.

That said, pilots let's leave this alone. It's up to the F/As to decide what is right for them. If the F/A jumpseat is a F/A contract issue then it is up to them.

And to the guy I said good luck to the other day, it was sincere.

 

[FlyUs]

Cool beans,

I have been flying for 35 years, and never once had any doubt of who was.

Cool beans??

 

[nic4us]

Cool beans??

cool beans:

A slang term that actually began it's use in the late 60's/early 70's. Popularized by the pop culture of the time. Used to describe something very favorable or pleasing. Great. Very nice.

Cheech: Hey man, look at this car made out of weed!
Chong: Oh cool beans, man!

 

[FlyUs]

Maybe that is because of your definition of supervisor? I think 99.9% of F/As understand who is in command of the A/C, but few of us get into the issues of your supervisors.

That said, pilots let's leave this alone. It's up to the F/As to decide what is right for them. If the F/A jumpseat is a F/A contract issue then it is up to them.

And to the guy I said good luck to the other day, it was sincere.

And I commend and respect 99.9% of you guys and understand who is in command of the a/c. Just never thought of a pilot as my supervisor. A big difference. As far as the j/s goes, the afa east has strict language about the use of the cabin jump seat. I once had a United f/a ride the actual jumpseat. She never took off her jacket and we all assumed she was a US f/a until I asked her inflight where she was based and she said Chicago. I never said a word, but within a couple of weeks the union called and me and was furious. Not sure how they found out. The union feels as though if that language is changed to allow other groups to ride the cabin jump seat, where does it end? Mechanics are also more than qualified to open the doors, should they be allowed to commute home also? Keep it simple.. US flight attendants ONLY. Now if we could ride the cockpit jump seat.. that would change everything.

 

[flybynite]

No what I mean is, just like the east pilot group, you are making a huge mistake in thinking your way or the highway.


PS, I do hope you find me a joy to fly with, and I look forward to the f/a's reaching a ratified contract so that becomes possible.

Who said our way or the highway? The west has been fully engaged in this contract. You are jumping to conclusions that have no basis in fact.

Take a nap or a walk. Shake it off.