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[chele5]

I could many part of this paragraph in the perspective if a terrorist meeting. They feel similar to the way you write. They believe now is the time to stand up for their cause and they are also willing to kill themselves for a belief even though they know it will only kill them.

[post="201591"][/post]​

You have no idea, do you?
This is NOT about Terrorist or anything of the sort - AND YOU KNOW THAT.

What this is about is taking a stand. We all have a good understanding of the circumstances at this airline. What the AFA has said, and I support, is IF the contracts are cancelled, then they have the option to strike.

If we just "roll-over" and let these things happen without a fight - without standing up for union representation - then haven't we just reduced the value of the union in the future negotiation process?

This isn't just about USAirways anymore.
Think about it.

 

[pit_needs_help]

I really believe The White House would stop any action that involved more than one carrier walking and that would be Usairways. I agree many would love to see U walk and say goodbye. The President would probably do nothing if only U walked.

 

[local 12 proud]

Spoken like a true pilot! (do you guys cut them off when you enter flight school?)

[post="201624"][/post]​

FLY , you beat me to it. its clear the pilots have the most to lose especially 320 he keeps saying labor has no choice except to capitulate or all will be without a job. i can only speak for mechanics who are very versatile, most have been trained in other trades and can move on! a large majority that i work with have skills in welding, brick laying, auto mechanics, construction, truck driving (CDL) ETC...ETC... you catch my drift. this industry is taking our pay and benefits to a level where most can do better outside aviation except of course those who have nothing else to do but engage the autopilot. this is not meant to slam all pilots many are also versatile but its easy to spot the ones who have no CALLUSES with a simple hand shake

 

[Whatnow?]

You know its really a shame that the Unions are putting employees in this position! I mean isn't it bad enough that we already have to worry about the company shutting down before we even have to worry about our contracts being abrogated! These proposals aren't the end of the world, changes have to be made if we want to secure this lifestyle we've been accustomed to. Yes, there will be paycuts, but not to the severity of no job at all! It's going on all around us not just in the aviation industry. I've talked to many of my friends who took VF's and they are PRAYING that the company will still be around to come back to, the grass is definitely not greener on the other side! For some, it could be the push they need to get on with their lives in another profession, for most this would be devastating! This is all they've done for most of their lives! Whatnow? :unsure:

I support AFA in regards to standing up to the company and for our profession, but also wonder if this is the end of the line. There is no more room for bargaining anymore this company doesn't have a leg to stand on! I've been here for almost 16 years, and this company has only showed a profit maybe 9 months during that whole time! Yes there is a problem here! We all know that! This job DID NOT CHOOSE US, WE CHOSE IT! There is a door and we ALL know how to use it! If it comes right down to it and there is a strike, then we all have to stand up to the man! But most of our hearts WILL not be there for the right reasons!

 

[PITMTC]

PITMTC,

We all know you are not a union member.

[post="201623"][/post]​

What does that have to do with my post. Get educated and respond responsibly.

 

[PITMTC]

You have no idea, do you?
This is NOT about Terrorist or anything of the sort - AND YOU KNOW THAT.

What this is about is taking a stand. We all have a good understanding of the circumstances at this airline. What the AFA has said, and I support, is IF the contracts are cancelled, then they have the option to strike.

If we just "roll-over" and let these things happen without a fight - without standing up for union representation - then haven't we just reduced the value of the union in the future negotiation process?

This isn't just about USAirways anymore.
Think about it.

[post="201633"][/post]​

I have no idea?
Do you know that a company has to re-negotiate or cancell contracts within a certain time period after filing by law. By law they have to. Has the AFA explained that to you. The "judge" has to agree with either a negotiated contract or canceling the contracts. It is up to the company and the unions to either reach an agreement or let the judge decide.
If you want to take a stand, go stand outside the union office and demand they reach an agreement and not let this go to the judge.
Did you guys forget that you wanted the judge to decide last time and you took a 21% paycut. Do you remember you blamed management AGAIN for that too.
I have a pretty good idea, don't I.

 

[deano]

I have no idea?
Do you know that a company has to re-negotiate or cancell contracts within a certain time period after filing by law. By law they have to. Has the AFA explained that to you. The "judge" has to agree with either a negotiated contract or canceling the contracts. It is up to the company and the unions to either reach an agreement or let the judge decide.
If you want to take a stand, go stand outside the union office and demand they reach an agreement and not let this go to the judge.
Did you guys forget that you wanted the judge to decide last time and you took a 21% paycut. Do you remember you blamed management AGAIN for that too.
I have a pretty good idea, don't I.

[post="201661"][/post]​

You are a typical management mouth piece, but guess what genius, you too will be out the door when all these people you think are morons say enough is enough and shut the doors for good. You then can say you came a from a losing team and beg for that next job.

 

[Reservation Agent]

If the company was just trying to work out contract adjustments in good faith, that would be one thing, but the company...At the same time of negotiating, it went to court to THROW OUT ALL CURRENT AFA,CWA & IAM CONTRACTS ! Talk about having your cake, and eating it, too!!!!!

The company is not happy to just modify current agreements...Are you non-believers that dumb?.... a member of management ? ....or have 300,000 frequent flyer miles banked?

WAKE UP !

 

[luvthe9]

The only airlines to strike IF they do will be US, UAL and Hawaiian maybe. You don't have a chance at all for any one else to join in. Don't even think about, I think it will also effect your unemployment benefits if any.

 

[WestCoastGuy]

The company is taking advantage of the laws in BK to take everything away from labor that the NEED, everything they WANT, and everything they they can GET. This is Jerry Glass tactics. He has once chance to grab everything from labor in one swoop. The it will take another generation to get it back thru negotiations. Is it better to work for paynothing wages and benefits and be miserable or shut this dysfunctional company down and put it out of its misery. I for one will not break my back with wages and benefits stolen only to make those in CCY richer and their golden parachutes bigger.

 

[WestCoastGuy]

I just wonder if A320 would be so pro company if his job was going to be contracted out to pilots from El Salvador or Guatamala? Thats what res is looking at. Their jobs going to .25 cents per hour labor. Mech. jobs being given away to outsourcing at the lowest bidder. Yeah, I think A320 wouldn't be smiling or have such high respects if someone was waiting in the wings for him to step aside so CCY could pocket more money.

 

[enilria]

Even though I am generally pro-management, I think it is only fair that if management can throw out a negotiated contract through a judge that in turn labor groups should be able to immediately call a strike. To require a union to work under a contract they did not agree to and give them no recourse is only marginally better than slavery. Next the judge will say employees are not allowed to take jobs at other companies!

With everything there should be a check and a balance. For years the pendulum leaned toward labor and now it has swung back too far the other way.

 

[repeet]

If you want to take a stand, go stand outside the union office and demand they reach an agreement and not let this go to the judge.

[post="201661"][/post]​

Funny you should say this. Actually, many of us are standing outside the Union office and demanding that no more concessions be allowed. We believe, that unless we get relief from these oppressive economic impositions, strike is the correct action!

 

[repeet]

With everything there should be a check and a balance. For years the pendulum leaned toward labor and now it has swung back too far the other way.

[post="201687"][/post]​

Thank-you. Unfortunately reversing the momentum is going to be messy.

 

[PITMTC]

You are a typical management mouth piece, but guess what genius, you too will be out the door when all these people you think are morons say enough is enough and shut the doors for good. You then can say you came a from a losing team and beg for that next job.

[post="201663"][/post]​

Mouth piece, nah?
In case you have not noticied there are a lot of people (union and non) leaving and finding good jobs. And obviously they always put US down on their resume. I'm sure you would have heard if many people were getting turned down because they worked here. Everything in life we go through is a learning experience, good or bad. Real companies are aware of what is going on. I personally have gotten several requests to go work at other outfits. Party because they know my experiences. You are not born knowing everything. The bad times we face make us all more experienced and actually an asset to other companies.
Hey if your claim to fame is going to be that the airline shutdown but you held your ground, then very good for you. You will probably reach that goal here soon. I would much prefer to see us survive. However, if I have to go look for another job, my experience here is going to make me more lucrative. I will not have to beg.