Afa Meeting

[PITbull]

I am extremely disappointed in that response..but then I'm sure you could give a good GD what I think because I am not a part of the PA club. Pitbull, I have almost 90% been supportive of you, but you just lost me...again, I'm sure you could care less. I'll shut up and just have a cocktail..I feel incredably let down. How sad...I have lost hope in the company and you. That's just how I feel. So go ahead and blast your bitter, angry , hostile anger at me. I could give a damn anymore. <_<

That's too bad, First.

I have always, always been supportive of the f/a group as a whole and have never ever waivered or taken my "eye" off the ball.

I am true to my word, and will remain.

This time managment will have to bargain in good faith, honor past and future agreements, otherwise, none of us will make it to the otherside.

I will say this again, as I have in the past. We will force compliance of our agreements at all cost. Both sides recognize that we have a lot to lose if we continue down this road of "disrespect and mistrust.

Lakefield is willing and anxious to "change the tide".

This I deem as a good thing. He gave the MEC assurances that we could negotiate an agreement that works for both sides. He earnestly conveyed that he recognizes the great loss to the workers and that returns would be equally shared among all groups. He wants to see employees satisfied and the human spirit rejuvenated, and he wants to help us get there.

The MEC expressed that so far, we have not seen any changes in lower mangment which has the most effect and direct contact with our members. He states, things will change.

Can't say I trust anyone at this point, however i will take him at his word. The MEC voted to engage.

 

[mweiss]

Trust that Pennsylvania bases CALL THE SHOTS! Both on ALPA and AFA.

South can't put anything over the top and has no weight no matter what the other small bases do.

etc., etc., etc...

That sure does sound like the battle of the ultimate egos. Why does it have to be that way?

 

[PITbull]

That sure does sound like the battle of the ultimate egos. Why does it have to be that way?

Mweiss,

I won't sit and defend myself on this board. YOU know me...read between the lines.

 

[casyjones]

Mweiss,

I won't sit and defend myself on this board. YOU know me...read between the lines.

Reading between the lines shows us all the same same when the same same will bury what you pretend to believe in. If that is not a sign of one troubled mind, show me the model of pure sanity where everyone of sound mind can agree upon that model. Leadership starts and ends with sanity. So, whose sanity? What model? If agreements are long in coming, there is no need to answer these questions.

 

[700UW]

You know what I have to say the AFA has been and will be duped.

If Lakefield was serious about being honest and a man of his word he would have done this.

1. Jerry Glass would have been fired.
2. Doug McKeen's consulting days would have been done.
3. ALL AIRBUS WORK IN AL WOULD HAVE CEASED and BROUGHT back in-house.

None of this has been done, so anyone that trusts him is a foolish.

He is just using Siegel's plan, that has been proven, and approved by the BOD which Lakefield was a part of.

Just like Lakefield was a part of the BOD when the BOD approved the airbus farmout.

Sorry the proof is there, he has done nothing to heal the wounds placed upon the employees.

 

[PITbull]

Reading between the lines shows us all the same same when the same same will bury what you pretend to believe in. If that is not a sign of one troubled mind, show me the model of pure sanity where everyone of sound mind can agree upon that model. Leadership starts and ends with sanity. So, whose sanity? What model? If agreements are long in coming, there is no need to answer these questions.

No need, indeed.

 

[jbragg476]

Anyone care to speculate on what kind of layoffs we're talking in the F/A group?
What about with people retireing towards end of summer? How about a possible buy-out like with CWA? Is MAA getting their *&(% together as far as better agreements with Medical or pay guarantees?

Pitbull? Anything you may know? Anyone?

 

[firstamendment]

That's too bad, First.

Yes it is, but that's how I feel.

 

[PITbull]

700uw,


You make valid points. You get no argument from me.

Managment has a long road to toe with the mistreatment of employees, and the IAM outsource issue is one that IAM has no choice, but to stand by and protect their work.

 

[ktflyhome]

I do believe there have been some extreme differences in the past with Bases. Especially between Pit and Clt. Upon talking more and more with Clt folks, I do believe they are as fed up as well. Especially, the reserves. Maybe Lakefield is wise this time around to sincerely negotiate something positive, for I believe any thing hindering the Reserves anymore at this point will get an overwhelming vote of NO.

I also, believe THIS time around, many more F/A's WILL vote. I predict a record vote if it comes to this. We are just not waking up and yawning after a good nights rest. We are coming out of a major Nightmare. Beware of the wolves.

I have also noticed the Pitbull has been rather quiet on the boards of late. I can only hope this is a good sign.

One more thing. I certainly hope, that whatever is put on the table that the company and AFA have the respect and wherewithall to spell it out in layman terms. We don't need all of this hogwash, jibberish #### that only confuses and undermines us all.

 

[PITbull]

kt,

The highlights of the exchanges will be presented on a weekly bases. In fact, a motion was made that the "openers" of both the company and AFA will be posted in its entirety.

This way, members will have an understanding of the "beginnings" of this process and be fully aware of the rocky road ahead for the negotiating committee as well as the MEC.

Sick and reserve system is in the forefront and on the table. However, I am sure this fix will be at a price.

 

[ktflyhome]

kt,

The highlights of the exchanges will be presented on a weekly bases. In fact, a motion was made that the "openers" of both the company and AFA will be posted in its entirety.

This way, members will have an understanding of the "beginnings" of this process and be fully aware of the rocky road ahead for the negotiating committee as well as the MEC.

Sick and reserve system is in the forefront and on the table. However, I am sure this fix will be at a price.

Was the motion seconded and passed?? Or was it just tabled??

Secondly, just how long is this process suppose to continue??? Til we are put up against the wall again and toyed with???

This time around F/A's are going to be alot Smarter, Wiser and less the Trustful Fool. I suggest that AFA better be on the side of the F/A's 110% with NO politics involved.

My gut reaction to what you just posted leaves me very skeptical on the MEC's part.

 

[PITbull]

kt,

Politics? How so?

We're talking livlihoods here. These negotiations will be life altering proposals. Everyone will have the opportunity to vote, be informed and stay informed.

If your skeptical of this MEC, than you are confused on who is your defender. I expect the f/as to support the MEC 110%! We are NOT the enemy.

I won't get defensive here. My personal livilihood is on the line, just as yours. The reserve system will COST everyone on this property.

With regard to "tabling an issue...I think you are confused. The MEC passed a "motion", otherwise, I wouldn't have brought it up.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Politics? How so?

Well Pitbull, I can't wait to hear what sweet words management will use to get the IAM at the table and all lovey dovey with them.

 

[to much time to quit]

Well Pitbull, I can't wait to hear what sweet words management will use to get the IAM at the table and all lovey dovey with them.

I don't know the exact words but I bet some greenbacks will be involved. The latest stance from the iam is the stand is still closed, but are own members our are worst enemys. In other words the agc's are telling all the shop stewards in clt that it will be our own members whining about wanting to give a little more and they will have to open it up at request of the membership. You heard it here first, buckle up the ride will be bumpy and disgraceful.