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WHY? Because they can. I LOVE our relations with management.
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WHY? Because they can. I LOVE our relations with management.
Guess what, folks? Only 34 people who wanted to transfer to CLT for September were granted transfers. The rest were denied. This while there are still people who are displaced want to return to PHL and DCA. THE COMPANY IS FORCING JUNIOR PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOME BASE AT COMPANY EXPENSE WHILE DENYING OTHERS WHO VOLUNTARILY WANT TO GO THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
WHYYYYY?!?!?!?!?
How many people wanted to transfer?
No dog in this fight but looking for clarification, EAST to recall 125, 2 types of leave VF EXTENDED( took no money, retained seniority#, call back in reverse order) about 430? VFLR? took the money on bottom as indicated on system seniority list #s 5219-5919, Question 1, is that about right, Q2, how many on the 5219-5919 were offered recall and do they have to go thru all of them to get to the VF EXTENDED? THANX IN ADVANCE MM!Company Announces Flight Attendant Recall
E-line dated 7-21-2010 -
Yesterday afternoon the Company informed the Union of a recall of East and West Flight Attendants. The recall will be for November 1, 2010. The Company informed the Union the recall was necessary due to attrition and staffing shortages.
Today, the Company announced a recall of 125 East Flight Attendants. Pursuant to the Contract, the Company will send recall notices to East Flight Attendants on the East EXL list two letters- one via standard US Mail and one via US Certified Mail. Recall opportunities are offered to EXL Flight Attendants in inverse seniority order. The bottom 125 EXL Flight Attendants will be notified they are being recalled and the remainder of the 430 EXL Flight Attendants will be notified they may be recalled depending on the results of the first 125. (The rest can be found at afausairways.org) -
Displace first, recall second. GENIUS!
No dog in this fight but looking for clarification, EAST to recall 125, 2 types of leave VF EXTENDED( took no money, retained seniority#, call back in reverse order) about 430? VFLR? took the money on bottom as indicated on system seniority list #s 5219-5919, Question 1, is that about right, Q2, how many on the 5219-5919 were offered recall and do they have to go thru all of them to get to the VF EXTENDED? THANX IN ADVANCE MM!
Thank you very much, so exl first , one shot yea or ney and then to VFLR roughly pges 5279-5919 on the sen list, thanx again , you got it right roughly 40+ EAST RECALLS! MM!Per July 12 e-line:
The first step in the actual recall process is to recall Flight Attendants from involuntary furlough. There are no Flight Attendants on involuntary furlough. The next step is to recall Flight Attendants from other types of voluntary leaves.
At the moment, Flight Attendants are on two types of leaves; 1) the Extended Leave (EXL) and, 2) The Voluntary Furlough with Limited Recall (VFLR).
These two very different types of leaves have different recall rights and provisions.
Should a recall become a reality, the Company will offer recall first to those on the EXL list then to those on the VFLR list.
EXL - Flight Attendants on EXL are on that list because they were participants in various Voluntary Furlough programs offered beginning in 2001. All of those furlough programs had an expiration date. At the time the expiration date for each furlough occurred, the Flight Attendant could either return to work (forcing another Flight Attendant to be involuntarily furloughed) or remain on voluntary furlough for any indefinite duration (i.e., until recalled). Flight Attendants on the EXL list have retained their original seniority date for bidding and travel purposes but, under some conditions, may have lost longevity for pay and vacation purposes. The seniority range on the EXL list is from 1973 to 1997. Below are the EXL terms with respect to recall:
A Flight Attendant on the EXL list will be offered one recall opportunity in inverse seniority order. A Flight Attendant choosing not to accept such a recall opportunity will be removed from the system seniority list and separated from the Company.
A Flight Attendant on the EXL list accepting recall is entitled to return to her/his base of record or origin. A vacancy in that domicile need not exist in order for a Flight Attendant to exercise that right.
Below is breakdown of the EXL list by domicile and current travel/retirement separation eligibility.
Total Flight Attendants on EXL list - 430 (at one point there were over 1100)
Total by Domicile*:
CLT - 129
DCA - 46
PHL - 255
*Flight Attendants on the EXL whose domicile closed while on leave had to indicate a domicile preference and her/his base of record was adjusted accordingly.
Current Travel/Retirement Separation Eligibility:
91 - 25/45 eligible
240 - 65 Point Plan
19 - Retirement and 25/45
8 - Retirement
72 - None
While the number "430" may seem daunting, the EXL list has been declining on a very steady basis and most Flight Attendants who have been sent recall notices in the past have not returned to the Company. Nonetheless, Flight Attendants on the EXL list have contractual rights that will be honored.
VFLR - There are approximately 650 Flight Attendants on the VFLR list. VFLR participants are offered recall in seniority order on the VFLR list, however those Flight Attendants forfeit the right to their seniority and longevity and return as a new hire in terms of base selection, bidding, pay and vacation.
Should the Company exhaust both the EXL and VFLR lists without filling the recall quota the Company would then start new hire classes.
I also "heard" they were going to recall 40 east pilots. Can you add anything to that rumor?
Cheers.
Thank you very much, so exl first , one shot yea or ney and then to VFLR roughly pges 5279-5919 on the sen list, thanx again , you got it right roughly 40+ EAST RECALLS! MM!
Also all 95 West FAs and 40 West Pilots.
Any thoughts on folks coming back from EXL? The union says the list is dwindling, BUT the earlier E-line says there is 430 and the latest says 550, so that number magically increased.
I'm praying to get some seniority and all the EXL's are senior.
OR MERGER or FRAGMENTATION! JUST A THOUGHT MM! Cleaning up the loose ends.I personally think they will go through the whole exl list and start on the vflr list to get the number they need. These people have been off property for YEARS and our current bankruptcy-broken contract is nothing to come back to, especially right at the holidays. Just my opinion - we will know at the end of August. I think it's interesting they announced this now with a close date of Aug 25 for training to begin Nov 1. That's +60 days after close date - ya think they might be planning for people to not come back?
When I returned from furlough there were 5 scheduled for class and I was the only one who showed up. I think it's going to be about a 20% return rate of EXL, 0% for VFLR.
I also think we will have a TA by the end of the year. We shall see...
many of these people have BEEN AWAY for a considerable period of time and I would bet the Company has NO IDEA where they stand with THEIR RETURN and I would assume many of these folks will be STRESSED OUT on what to do..........Come Back with the current conditions or make a Clean and FINAL Break from US. 20% IS A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION. This "Pruning of the Tree" will clearly define what the TRUE Headcount IS and what Your Seniority can HOLD. BASE CLOSURES will also play a HUGE Factor for many.I personally think they will go through the whole exl list and start on the vflr list to get the number they need. These people have been off property for YEARS and our current bankruptcy-broken contract is nothing to come back to, especially right at the holidays. Just my opinion - we will know at the end of August. I think it's interesting they announced this now with a close date of Aug 25 for training to begin Nov 1. That's +60 days after close date - ya think they might be planning for people to not come back?
When I returned from furlough there were 5 scheduled for class and I was the only one who showed up. I think it's going to be about a 20% return rate of EXL, 0% for VFLR.
I also think we will have a TA by the end of the year. We shall see...