Afa-apfa Our Futures At Stake

[AC AA LA FA]

After hearing the United AFA hotline tonight, TUE 11/16-I realize yet again the power and imporntance of union protection and our rights as workers who have contributed to building of our great companies. AFAs msg to me rings true and I know first hand from my experience in 1993 with AA that a solid well thought out strike can not only be effective and empowering but is our right as union members. This is not about UA.US,TZ, or HA alone-but about all of us..

I encourage ALL my brothers and sisters to listen to what AFA is saying and consider your futures- Get the information you need and lend your support. Tell you local APFA reps and national officers how you feel and ask what can be done, here, collectivly to further this cause-

The time is now-we have everything to loose if we are not active-I never thought it would come to this-industry wide solidarity and resolve... is our only hope-

 

[local 12 proud]

Its time to send this Government and this Industry a message, HELL the French will strike in a heart beat over PAY alone and were allowing the Airlines to GUT our contracts like a catfish! Lets see the look on "W"s face when the whole transportation industry throws him the finger and says ENOUGH A$$WIPE!

 

[flyhigh]

...I for one hope you all do this. It will speed up the consolidation of the industry allowing my company to improve dramatically, almost overnight. The reality is that the companies that are doing well will welcome this more than you can imagine. What many of you simply don't want to admit is that your companies are simply moving you to be in line with what all the sucessful companies in this industry offer. You may not like that, you may not have anticipated it, but that is how business goes. You can of course fail to change and go the way of the US Steel industry or how about textiles in this country? Fine examples of how the consumer says they won't pay for your inefficiencies and poorly managed companies...

 

[Fly]

...I for one hope you all do this. It will speed up the consolidation of the industry allowing my company to improve dramatically, almost overnight. The reality is that the companies that are doing well will welcome this more than you can imagine. What many of you simply don't want to admit is that your companies are simply moving you to be in line with what all the sucessful companies in this industry offer. You may not like that, you may not have anticipated it, but that is how business goes. You can of course fail to change and go the way of the US Steel industry or how about textiles in this country? Fine examples of how the consumer says they won't pay for your inefficiencies and poorly managed companies...

[post="201631"][/post]​

Who would have guessed that there were so many scabs amongst us? Oh, wait, you probably voted for W too. :down:

 

[s80dude]

AFA has laid their chips on the table with this one. I wish em' the best,, but hope the vote passes. I remember a while back the Machinists at Boeing voted no to a strike authorization, and when you do you tell management you are willing to accept anything.

 

[Buck]

AFA has laid their chips on the table with this one. I wish em' the best,, but hope the vote passes. I remember a while back the Machinists at Boeing voted no to a strike authorization, and when you do you tell management you are willing to accept anything.

[post="201637"][/post]​

I would be interested in hearing opinions on the TWU represented employees having a "No Strike" clause in their contract and how it would play out on a nationwide action.

 

[DFWCC]

Its time to send this Government and this Industry a message, HELL the French will strike in a heart beat over PAY alone and were allowing the Airlines to GUT our contracts like a catfish! Lets see the look on "W"s face when the whole transportation industry throws him the finger and says ENOUGH A$$WIPE!

[post="201618"][/post]​

Yea, I agree "W" will probably be with us. I recall it was the democrats' Bill "the liar" Clinton who told Crandel to negotiate with the FA and he also to negated the Pilots strike. No wonder I was proud to support a winner and not an "A$$WIPE" like Clinton, or an anti-american communist like Kerry.

 

[DFWCC]

I would be interested in hearing opinions on the TWU represented employees having a "No Strike" clause in their contract and how it would play out on a nationwide action.

[post="201680"][/post]​

I'm with my union brothers and sisters. I think the FAs have more "BAWLS" than the TWU. If my union calls I will walk....

 

[Wretched Wrench]

I fear that our union is more interested in keeping the dues money rolling in. They will agree to give up even more in benefits and retirement, as those have no adverse effect on dues collection.

And it will all be under the guise of "saving jobs."

 

[FA Mikey]

I would be interested in hearing opinions on the TWU represented employees having a "No Strike" clause in their contract and how it would play out on a nationwide action.

[post="201680"][/post]​

Buck, all unions on the property have a no strike, no lockout clause in there contracts.

For APFA members check your contract. Article 33 Letter B says, Neither the Union nor the employees covered hereunder shall engage in a strike, sit-down, walkout or stoppage, slowdown or curtailment of work for any reason during the life of this agreement.

For those of you complain about the company living up to there end of the contract. Respecting the articles as written as well as the intent. You best respect, and live up to your end of the same signed agreement.

An industry wide strike, would be close to the most foolish thing anyone could imagine. You want support, you want favorable and sympathetic coverage. Don't piss off the audience and traveling public. It will do nothing for the cause but bring a downward effect to what you are trying to portray and bring to light. Better to find a way to show up and embarrass management and there cronies, and all those who profit on the backs of hard working citizens of this country and the world.

 

[FA Mikey]

Yea, I agree "W" will probably be with us. I recall it was the democrats' Bill "the liar" Clinton who told Crandel to negotiate with the FA and he also to negated the Pilots strike. No wonder I was proud to support a winner and not an "A$$WIPE" like Clinton, or an anti-american communist like Kerry.

[post="201681"][/post]​

george bush with you, with us, with unions? Not sure what could possibly lead you to believe such a thing. As for Clinton the so called lier. (Place your self in this situation, you got a BJ from some woman and at Christmas dinner with all your relatives parents and kids present. Your wife announce you are having an affair. As a typical guy you would do what? Deny? Or stand there and give all the details of what went on in front off all these people. Like 99.9% of guys, its deny, lie, deny and hope it blows over.) But as fro Clinton he was forcing AA's hand to negotiate and not make unreasonable demands. The outcome was for AA going to be a forced mediation. Something they didn't want. Something they ended up with and lost there shirts on. As for Kerry he is 1000 times more an American hero than George bush could ever hope to be.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

Buck, all unions on the property have a no strike, no lockout clause in there contracts.

For APFA members check your contract. Article 33 Letter B says, Neither the Union nor the employees covered hereunder shall engage in a strike, sit-down, walkout or stoppage, slowdown or curtailment of work for any reason during the life of this agreement.

For those of you complain about the company living up to there end of the contract. Respecting the articles as written as well as the intent. You best respect, and live up to your end of the same signed agreement.

An industry wide strike, would be close to the most foolish thing anyone could imagine. You want support, you want favorable and sympathetic coverage. Don't piss off the audience and traveling public. It will do nothing for the cause but bring a downward effect to what you are trying to portray and bring to light. Better to find a way to show up and embarrass management and there cronies, and all those who profit on the backs of hard working citizens of this country and the world.

[post="201721"][/post]​

At APFA, at this point , we have a no strike clause-but-that dosent mean that a public stance and any efforts cant be made to the AFA carriers and their cause. By tuning in to and enlightning the members here-and the traveling public will only further this cause as a whole..The media and public will be all over this-its imporntant we use this exposure to our advantage and be assocoiated ..
Lets not forget-that it only takes a trip to the BK court once to make our contracts null and void-and as we all know all to well - that the ominous cloud looms over AA stil-we hear it in the media, jetmail,jetnews,fsms-ecterAA-if anything this should at least sway anybody away from signing away any more of our trampeled contract- there are other options down the road that dont require us to "bend over" yet again

 

[FA Mikey]

I am all for supporting AFA and alll those in the industry. My point is we cannot join in to some kind of industry wide strike

 

[AAmech]

I'm with my union brothers and sisters. I think the FAs have more "BAWLS" than the TWU. If my union calls I will walk....

[post="201686"][/post]​

There's no doubt they have more "BAWLS" than most of us, its the Brains they're lacking! With the THOUSANDS of FA's on the recall list It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the companies will terminate anyone who walks and replace them.
I think the AFA relizes how hopeless the situation is and wants to go out with a bang!

 

[Garfield1966]

By tuning in to and enlightning the members here-and the traveling public will only further this cause as a whole..The media and public will be all over this-its imporntant we use this exposure to our advantage and be assocoiated

[post="201726"][/post]​

You're soooo fuuunnnyyy.

My name is Garfield, let me be your tour guide to reality.

Enlighten the public. That's a good one. I'll have to rember that one for the dinner table.

40% of the nation did not vote. I would wager that a huge majority of those who did vote could not tell you why they voted the way they did. You think they give a rat's a$$ over your problems? They have their own life they are worried about. They do not care about they fact that you took a pay raise.

Untill you can come up with a better solution to our problems (other than firing people from all work groups other than your) I do not think you have aleg to stand on.