AAA ALPA Thread 9-21 to 9-27

[AWA320]

The ALPA constitution and by-laws states members must be allowed to vote on anything that would affect pilot pay and benefits. Therefore, regardless of what ALPA National does a joint contract is unlikely that contains the Nicolau Award.

With USAPA having about 2,500 Authorization Cards the East pilot sentiment should be crystal clear.

If ALPA attempts to negotiate a contract for the East and puts items in place in a TA that the USAPA "fence sitters" object to that will further increase USAPA support and the odds of ALPA being "kicked off" of the property.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Wait a minute, didn't YOU tell us that there would be a deal?? And haven't YOU been saying for months that the AWARD would be thrown out?? Wasn't it YOU that said that USAPA was filing almost 2 months ago?? Ok bro time to change your approach because your credibility is all but shot!! Try this, tell us that USAPA will fail and even though that's true it will help rebuild your image and credibility

USAPA like DOH is DOA

 

[USA320Pilot]

Click here and here to read about US Airways' previous efforts to acquire United or its assets.

Most obervers would have thought US Airways would never have launched a hostile bid for Delta, but they did. I believe Doug Parker wants to merger and he wants to acquire a consensual partner. Meanwhile, Glenn Tilton has openly expressed his desire for consolidation and the man is probabaly not interested in being employed to much longer considering his age.

In regard to AWA pilots paying USAPA dues, they will have no choice but to pay a portion of their dues, which can be witheld by the company and then forwarded on to USAPA. If this occurs the West pilots would be in bad standing.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[AWA320]

767jetz,

A pre-nup will not part of USAPA merger policy, thus, this could be a problem if US Airways attempts to acquire United again.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Stop talking!!! You don't represent the MAJORITY!!! The world knows all to well how you think and that's with complete stupidity!

DO I even need to say the words?? Yeah I do USAPA like DOH is DOA!!

 

[Piedmont1984]

Wait a minute, didn't YOU tell us that there would be a deal?? And haven't YOU been saying for months that the AWARD would be thrown out?? Wasn't it YOU that said that USAPA was filing almost 2 months ago?? Ok bro time to change your approach because your credibility is all but shot!! Try this, tell us that USAPA will fail and even though that's true it will help rebuild your image and credibility

USAPA like DOH is DOA

OTOH didn't YOU say that USAPA would only get a couple of hundred cards sent in at the most? Didn't YOU say that USAPA was days maybe weeks from failure, and this was back in late June or early July?

The fact is USAPA is not DOA. A representational election is imminent. Whoever ends up being the CBA for this pilot group will definitely have to resolve this award - not ignore it, not pretend that DOH is irrelevant. And as more pilots become familiar with the constitution, bylaws and mission of USAPA, more and more will realize, including West pilots, that it is a better choice than ALPA.

Your side argues that had ALPA been more reasonable, had they provided more guarrantees that west pilots would be protected from a DOH scenario, you might have gone along with it, you might have conceeded that longevity does and should be a pivotal consideration in any merger between two pilot groups.

So if USAPA can provide those assurances, perhaps you should reconsider your position.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Click here to read an article published today in the USA Today about US Airways pilots.

Speaking of USAPA Authorization Cards -- today I had 3 more pilots sign cards, I took them to the Post Office, bought stamps, and then mailed the cards to USAPA.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[electricjet98]

The ALPA constitution and by-laws states members must be allowed to vote on anything that would affect pilot pay and benefits. Therefore, regardless of what ALPA National does a joint contract is unlikely that contains the Nicolau Award.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

I could very easily be wrong about this, but I thought it was possible to have MEC or representative ratification of a CBA, rather than membership ratification. And of course, if ALPA National put the AAA MEC into receivership, National would be your "representative". As I said, I could be wrong...Do you have your reference handy? <_<

 

[USA320Pilot]

Electricjet,

My reference through an LEC Rep. is Mike Abram; however, it is likely a moot point because USAPA will most likely be the bargaining agent before a TA could ever be passed to the East pilot group.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Piedmont1984]

I could very easily be wrong about this, but I thought it was possible to have MEC or representative ratification of a CBA, rather than membership ratification. And of course, if ALPA National put the AAA MEC into receivership, National would be your "representative". As I said, I could be wrong...Do you have your reference handy? <_<

I agree, the receivership issue is germane, but should ALPA national try this, it would only make matters worse for this pilot group, as well as this company.

USAirways has been making money in spite of itself. The economic cycle may be changing direction. American is reporting softer market conditions. Should there be a "s*#t hit the fan" event, this company will fare much worse than the other Legacy carriers....and the downturn will happen fast.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Speaking of USAPA Authorization Cards -- today I had 3 more pilots sign cards, I took them to the Post Office, bought stamps, and then mailed the cards to USAPA.

Wow. What a motivated bunch you're soliciting from - they won't even pay the 39 cent postage themselves but rather have you do it. But that fact dovetails with this little tidbit:

"Based upon our projected needs, we need every pilot to contribute at least $200 and to do so soon. If you can only manage a $50 donation using your credit card, please do so - hopefully a fellow pilot can make up the difference. If you had a marvelous time on your last Vegas layover, send along a generous portion of the spoils. We have a narrow window of time for the filing. Let us be as clear about this as we can: we do not have sufficient funds to complete this journey."

Recognize that little nugget? If there were outrage and widespread cancellation of ALPA dues checkoff, then a normal person would reason that there would be plenty of money flowing into USAPA. So then, why is USAPA begging? And by the way, the boldface emphasis was copied and pasted as is from the USAPA "alms for a lepper" plea.

 

[SkyRat]

Click here to read an article published today in the USA Today about US Airways pilots.

Speaking of USAPA Authorization Cards -- today I had 3 more pilots sign cards, I took them to the Post Office, bought stamps, and then mailed the cards to USAPA.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

The Tempe, Ariz.-based airline has struggled to merge its pilot groups following America West Airlines' acquisition of the former US Airways in 2005. Pilots from both carriers have been trying to hammer out a joint contract, but those who were with the original US Airways recently walked away from the negotiating table, demanding immediate pay raises before they return.

RIGHT? Incredible!!! Oh well...

 

[AWA320]

OTOH didn't YOU say that USAPA would only get a couple of hundred cards sent in at the most? Didn't YOU say that USAPA was days maybe weeks from failure, and this was back in late June or early July?

And to date you have proved what????

The fact is USAPA is not DOA. A representational election is imminent. Whoever ends up being the CBA for this pilot group will definitely have to resolve this award - not ignore it, not pretend that DOH is irrelevant. And as more pilots become familiar with the constitution, bylaws and mission of USAPA, more and more will realize, including West pilots, that it is a better choice than ALPA.

Yeah you and your buddy usa320 keep telling us but proving otherwise get on with it will ya please the suspense is killing me

Your side argues that had ALPA been more reasonable, had they provided more guarrantees that west pilots would be protected from a DOH scenario, you might have gone along with it, you might have conceeded that longevity does and should be a pivotal consideration in any merger between two pilot groups.

Well since I would have been a party to such discussion I can tell you that the answer had it really occured would have been a very big NO!!

So if USAPA can provide those assurances, perhaps you should reconsider your position.

Ahhh HELL NO!! That clear enough??? This case is over Piedmont and has been for some time now. Your attempts to reinvent the wheel only hold us back longer. If this company fails I can move on to SWA, FEDX or somewhere but how about your mid fifty types?? What are they gonna do and where will they go?????

Time to stop this non sense Piedmont as the loss you stop may be your own!!!

 

[AWA320]

Wow. What a motivated bunch you're soliciting from - they won't even pay the 39 cent postage themselves but rather have you do it. But that fact dovetails with this little tidbit:

"Based upon our projected needs, we need every pilot to contribute at least $200 and to do so soon. If you can only manage a $50 donation using your credit card, please do so - hopefully a fellow pilot can make up the difference. If you had a marvelous time on your last Vegas layover, send along a generous portion of the spoils. We have a narrow window of time for the filing. Let us be as clear about this as we can: we do not have sufficient funds to complete this journey."

Recognize that little nugget? If there were outrage and widespread cancellation of ALPA dues checkoff, then a normal person would reason that there would be plenty of money flowing into USAPA. So then, why is USAPA begging? And by the way, the boldface emphasis was copied and pasted as is from the USAPA "alms for a lepper" plea.

The real killer will be when the company dumps that furlough list in two weeks thereby wiping out the vast majoirty of what ever cards they've collected.

More wasted time while management reeps the benefits.

 

[AWA320]

I could very easily be wrong about this, but I thought it was possible to have MEC or representative ratification of a CBA, rather than membership ratification. And of course, if ALPA National put the AAA MEC into receivership, National would be your "representative". As I said, I could be wrong...Do you have your reference handy? <_<

EJ98 you are 100% correct! The east pilots that I have flown from SAN to PHL have all said the same thing, "SHOW ME THE MONEY"

 

[aquagreen73s]

The real killer will be when the company dumps that furlough list in two weeks thereby wiping out the vast majoirty of what ever cards they've collected.

More wasted time while management reeps the benefits.

USAPA is so dead at this point that only USA320 would dare to perpetuate the decertification myth. It's not like he's concerned about losing any credibilty at this point. When's the end game Junebug? What does your crystal ball tell you?

 

[767jetz]

if US Airways attempts to acquire United again.

Keep dreaming. You've got enough on your plate for the time being. Besides, USAir will sit out the next round of consolidation if they get caught in years of litigation.

I find it funny that the East keeps threatening "just a few more days and we'll have an election." :huh:

They keep trying to hold a threat over others, but they are afraid to pull the trigger. Could it be they know what a long shot it is? If not... Just do it already. Everyone has basically called the bluff. So get on with it already!

By the way... where's the big news that was supposed to "surprise us, again."