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[jsn25911]

<_< Well people, We can set here and talk Ol "Airline Stories", I worked for TWA for 30+ years, but that's over! It was one hellava ride! But now I work for a.a., I believe one of the hardest things an ex-TWAer can do, is except that! But, the real world out there has American painted al over it! So the quicker we all except that, and get on with our lifes, the better off we'll all be!!!!

[post="176195"][/post]​

I have been part of Ozark and TWA for 23 years - and I have accepted it - never was a problem for me. Sorry it has been hard for you to accept. It is okay to still talk about it - That doesn't mean we are not accepting things. I am glad that we are all entitled to talk about whatever we want - whether it is TWA or AA. Afterall, there is a lot to talk about with AA. Start a post - or just ignore what you don't want to read.

 

[kirkpatrick]

I never worked out of MKC - and have never even been in that terminal.

Great chili dogs.

MK

 

[laura62]

That's true, but UA's JFK-NRT is currently operated by a "range deficient" 777-200.

What is "range deficient" about the 777-200 for this route? Do they crash into the sea before they land at NRT?

 

[upsilon]

What is "range deficient" about the 777-200 for this route? Do they crash into the sea before they land at NRT?

[post="176239"][/post]​

I believe the term is used when the route distance is beyond the range of the aircraft when loaded to its maximum load/weight capacity.

 

[kirkpatrick]

What is "range deficient" about the 777-200 for this route? Do they crash into the sea before they land at NRT?

[post="176239"][/post]​

I know nothing of the 777, but at TWA we flew the L1011 on the Atlantic for many years. In many cases, if the prevailing westerlies were strong, or the weather bad on the east coast (that meant an alternate, and more fuel) we either had to make a fuel stop or leave cargo and/or passengers behind. That would never happen with the 747 (except maybe from Tel Aviv) or the 767-300, which had more range.

MK

 

[upsilon]

Ok, as an old timer and aviation history buff, I’m going to chime in here on the post above: "At one time, the TWA logo was the second most recognized American logo in Europe, second only to Coca-Cola" and the comments that followed.

After WWII both PA and TW flew from JFK (nee Idlewild - IDL) to continental Europe; and both had twin engine fleets and native bilingual cabin crews based over there for intra-Europe travel. Remember this was a carryover from when there were no domestic carriers and no money to buy airplanes. And there certainly was no opposition from liberated France and the Benelux countries and the defeated countries of Germany and Italy as U.S. airlines provided what became known as "fifth freedom" flights within their countries and the rest of the continent. I can't recall when that ended; but I believe the last intra-Europe flight was PA from Berlin after the fall of the wall and the reunification of Germany. I always flew PA to and from Tegel to Hamburg and Frankfurt. The Russian/East Germans would not allow LH to serve Berlin. I can't remember TW there in Berlin.

And there were no non-stops. NY to Gander to Shannon to-wherever was the trans-Atlantic routing - for both PA and TW. I flew on both; and I don't really want to take sides. Both were great "flag carriers"; and I was a Lifetime Member of both the Clipper and the Ambassador Clubs when they closed their doors. The screwing that DL gave the PA FA crews alienated me so I have only once ever flown them again. However, since AA took over the TW routes in two stages, I would never have been able to do the same with AA, even if I had wanted to.

I was in the media business and paid attention to logos during the "at one time" period mentioned above. But going back, Pan American had been an "international" carrier since Juan Trippe started flying mail to Cuba from Key West in 1927. It was flying to South America in 1930 and had the Flying Boats to HNL then trans-Pacific before WWII. PA was first with pax across the Atlantic, and the first scheduled RTW pax service.

Until 1946 there is no question that PA was our “chosen carrierâ€￾ since it held a government granted monopoly on international routes. In 1946 TWA was granted equal rights and began service to Paris; but over the years PA had far more flights to far more destinations in Europe. It was first by at least a year with the all-jet 707 and then the 747. Only in 1950 did TWA change its name from Transcontinental and Western Airlines.

Thus in my opinion "at [that] one time" - in Europe (including the possible exception of some countries in the south), the PA (single) blue globe logo was far a better known logo than the red initials (if that be a logo) TWA. As I recall the TWA twin globes did not become the livery until after the sale of the PA “northernâ€￾ rights to UA and the “southernâ€￾ rights to DL. Then it was “no contestâ€￾ TWA was the best known American airline logo.

But [I know for a fact] at that time the word/logo Marlboro had long since passed anything but Coca-Cola! - in Europe and everywhere else in the world.

 

[MCI transplant]

Ok, as an old timer and aviation history buff, I’m going to chime in here on the post above: "At one time, the TWA logo was the second most recognized American logo in Europe, second only to Coca-Cola" and the comments that followed.

After WWII both PA and TW flew from JFK (nee Idlewild - IDL) to continental Europe; and both had twin engine fleets and native bilingual cabin crews based over there for intra-Europe travel. Remember this was a carryover from when there were no domestic carriers and no money to buy airplanes. And there certainly was no opposition from liberated France and the Benelux countries and the defeated countries of Germany and Italy as U.S. airlines provided what became known as "fifth freedom" flights within their countries and the rest of the continent. I can't recall when that ended; but I believe the last intra-Europe flight was PA from Berlin after the fall of the wall and the reunification of Germany. I always flew PA to and from Tegel to Hamburg and Frankfurt. The Russian/East Germans would not allow LH to serve Berlin. I can't remember TW there in Berlin.

And there were no non-stops. NY to Gander to Shannon to-wherever was the trans-Atlantic routing - for both PA and TW. I flew on both; and I don't really want to take sides. Both were great "flag carriers"; and I was a Lifetime Member of both the Clipper and the Ambassador Clubs when they closed their doors. The screwing that DL gave the PA FA crews alienated me so I have only once ever flown them again. However, since AA took over the TW routes in two stages, I would never have been able to do the same with AA, even if I had wanted to.

I was in the media business and paid attention to logos during the "at one time" period mentioned above. But going back, Pan American had been an "international" carrier since Juan Trippe started flying mail to Cuba from Key West in 1927. It was flying to South America in 1930 and had the Flying Boats to HNL then trans-Pacific before WWII. PA was first with pax across the Atlantic, and the first scheduled RTW pax service.

Until 1946 there is no question that PA was our “chosen carrierâ€￾ since it held a government granted monopoly on international routes. In 1946 TWA was granted equal rights and began service to Paris; but over the years PA had far more flights to far more destinations in Europe. It was first by at least a year with the all-jet 707 and then the 747. Only in 1950 did TWA change its name from Transcontinental and Western Airlines.

Thus in my opinion "at [that] one time" - in Europe (including the possible exception of some countries in the south), the PA (single) blue globe logo was far a better known logo than the red initials (if that be a logo) TWA. As I recall the TWA twin globes did not become the livery until after the sale of the PA “northernâ€￾ rights to UA and the “southernâ€￾ rights to DL. Then it was “no contestâ€￾ TWA was the best known American airline logo.

But [I know for a fact] at that time the word/logo Marlboro had long since passed anything but Coca-Cola! - in Europe and everywhere else in the world.

[post="176311"][/post]​

<_< upsilon------Thank you for the insight! You're quit correct, TWA never did have much of a presence in Berlin. But if you were in the media, you may remmber a news clip of the Berliners pulling down the wall! In the background, for a breif second, I sware I saw a big "TWA" spray painted in red!!!!

 

[jimntx]

Mr. Moderator, as there has not been a post related to the thread topic for the last two pages of posts, could this thread be closed? Thanks.

 

[TWAnr]

As I recall the TWA twin globes did not become the livery until after the sale of the PA “northernâ€￾ rights to UA and the “southernâ€￾ rights to DL. Then it was “no contestâ€￾ TWA was the best known American airline logo.

[post="176311"][/post]​

Route map, July 1, 1963

August 22, 1963 Timetable.

I believe that this Twin Globes design was part of the original livery of the 707.

There was a later Twin Globes logo, which was introduced in 1996.

 

[MCI transplant]

Route map, July 1, 1963

August 22, 1963 Timetable.

I believe that this Twin Globes design was part of the original livery of the 707.

There was a later Twin Globes logo, which was introduced in 1996.

[post="176415"][/post]​

<_< Sorry about that jimnt! But, TWAnr--- Doesn't Uncle Carl still own the rights to the old "Twin Globe" logo????

 

[AACREWMEMBER]

<_< Sorry about that jimnt! But, TWAnr--- Doesn't Uncle Carl still own the rights to the old "Twin Globe" logo????

[post="176438"][/post]​

MCI-AA now owns the TWA logo. Don't get me wrong I loved that logo but was hired by AA instead. Not a proud thing to say after the way all of you have been treated.

 

[upsilon]

Mr. Moderator, as there has not been a post related to the thread topic for the last two pages of posts, could this thread be closed? Thanks.

[post="176378"][/post]​

If you were the OP you might have a point. But why? No one is currently being flamed. What is your objection? Many threads go off track. They eventually die out without poster police intervention.

MCI transplant, I was thinking of the later version. I never really "saw" the circles behind the big red TWA as being twin globes. Guess I wasn't very logo observant after all!

 

[MCI transplant]

MCI-AA now owns the TWA logo. Don't get me wrong I loved that logo but was hired by AA instead. Not a proud thing to say after the way all of you have been treated.

[post="176488"][/post]​

<_< AA-----I was referring to TWA's old logo! As pictured on TWAnr's time table! I know Uncle Carl owned rights to it at one time! That's why after he turned us loose, we had to "modify" the old logo! That's where the two red strips came in, and later the stylized twin globe with the words "Trans Wold Airlines" on the bottom! We couldn't use the old logo, because he retained Copy rights to it!!!! :down:

 

[twasilverbullet]

<_< AA-----I was referring to TWA's old logo! As pictured on TWAnr's time table! I know Uncle Carl owned rights to it at one time! That's why after he turned us loose, we had to "modify" the old logo! That's where the two red strips came in, and later the stylized twin globe with the words "Trans Wold Airlines" on the bottom! We couldn't use the old logo, because he retained Copy rights to it!!!! :down:

[post="176504"][/post]​

MCI transplant,
The two red stripes came back in 1975-76, way before Uncle Carl bought us, it just took time to fade the twin globes out. I say came back because it was the original TWA logo, but not the first before the twin globes. Our wings had the twin globes logo until 1979 when the new wings were introduced absent the twin globes. FLY TWA= pre twin globes , TWA= post globes , AA and stapled post two stripes .

Hope you had a great Labor Day.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

You guys are way off subject, but I am enjoying it and learning a lot.

And our resident Nasty Person has not yet polluted this thread with ad hominum attacks, so let's keep it going.