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[MCI transplant]

You guys are way off subject, but I am enjoying it and learning a lot.

And our resident Nasty Person has not yet polluted this thread with ad hominum attacks, so let's keep it going.

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<_< O.K.---- As I heard it, the TWA= with the old Twin Globes in backround, was to be our new logo! But turns out Uncle Carl didn't like that! Too close in design to old design, which he still owned after he turned us loose! Remmber! If he thought there was any value there, he wanted it! So we went to the big white TWA on red background! After that, to our last logo, and livery! But I never heard if he still owns it? I do belive a.a. got the name and assists, but I'm not sure they got rights to the "OLD" logo or not!!!

 

[TWAnr]

Doesn't Uncle Carl still own the rights to the old "Twin Globe" logo????

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I heard that was the case, but I do not have the authoritative word on it.

I finally found a decent sized version of the final logo:

 

[mga707]

I believe that this Twin Globes design was part of the original livery of the 707.

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Close, but not quite. The 1959 delivery scheme on the early 707s--as well as the 1960 delivery scheme on the Convair 880--just had the bare red "TWA" logo.
The "twin globe" logo was introduced circa 1962, soon after Howard Hughes relinquished control of the company. Both versions used the same "red arrow" cheatline on the fuselages.
See the great Machaat illustrations in R.E.G. Davies' TWA illustrated history for examples of both scheme variations.

 

[TWAnr]

Close, but not quite. The 1959 delivery scheme on the early 707s--as well as the 1960 delivery scheme on the Convair 880--just had the bare red "TWA" logo.
The "twin globe" logo was introduced circa 1962, soon after Howard Hughes relinquished control of the company. Both versions used the same "red arrow" cheatline on the fuselages.
See the great Machaat illustrations in R.E.G. Davies' TWA illustrated history for examples of both scheme variations.

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I do have Davies' book, but I forgot to use it as a reference. However, shortly after I posted my answer, I discovered the following site: Airline History.

According to it, the Twin Globes design originated in the 1960s.

This is the 1959 livery on one of the first TWA Boeing 707-331B:

And this is the 1960s version:

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Both versions used the same "red arrow" cheatline on the fuselages.
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[post="176875"][/post]​

Cheatline? Would you please explain that term?

 

[mga707]

Cheatline? Would you please explain that term?

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Sure. "Cheatline" refers to the colored stripe that virtually all airline color schemes used to feature, nearly always just below (like AA's "lightning bolt") or through (TWA's "arrow"; Eastern's "hockey stick") the window line.
In the '70s, corporate image designers began to introduce schemes that did away with the cheatline, leading to the now-so-overdone "white fuselage" look. Air France and UTA (also French...hmmm) were two of the first to eliminate the cheatline with their then-innovative early '70s makeovers (at least UTA's had the green doors!).
Actually, Braniff's 1965 "The end of the plain plane" re-imaging was probably the first new look to eliminate the fuselage stripe, although the 'flying jellybeans' were a long way from just another boring white fuselage.

 

[mga707]

This is the 1959 livery on one of the first TWA Boeing 707-331B:

Not a "B" (yet). Note the 'straight-pipe' turbojet engine nacelles.
Compare with the turbofans in the second picture.

 

[MCI transplant]

Not a "B" (yet). Note the 'straight-pipe' turbojet engine nacelles.
Compare with the turbofans in the second picture.

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Hey folks!!! Everyone likes talking about the 707's! What about our little fighter jet of the sky, the Covair 880!!! Sweet Aircraft!!!!

 

[MCI transplant]

Hey folks!!! Everyone likes talking about the 707's! What about our little fighter jet of the sky, the Covair 880!!! Sweet Aircraft!!!!

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<_< My brain had a "Senior moment" again! Should of been "Convair", oh well, you know what I mean!!!

 

[TWAnr]

Hey folks!!! Everyone likes talking about the 707's! What about our little fighter jet of the sky, the Convair 880!!! Sweet Aircraft!!!!

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Since you asked, here is Captain Kramer's favorite plane:

Convair 880 N819TW in 1960s livery at Denver in 1972​

 

[Wretched Wrench]

What was the range of the 880?

 

[MCI transplant]

quote=TWAnr,Sep 10 2004, 02:40 AM]
Since you asked, here is Captain Kramer's favorite plane:

Convair 880 N819TW in 1960s livery at Denver in 1972​

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<_<880--- Built like a Sherman Tank, but quit a bear to work on!!!!!

 

[kirkpatrick]

I flew 880's out of SFO in 1973-74. Hard to believe they only held 90 people; 20 up front and 70 in the back, with 5 abreast seating, three on the left and two on the right. Four FA's.

MK

 

[MCI transplant]

I flew 880's out of SFO in 1973-74. Hard to believe they only held 90 people; 20 up front and 70 in the back, with 5 abreast seating, three on the left and two on the right. Four FA's.

MK

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<_<Kirk---- This was one of the main reasons TWA retired them! That and the fact that they were a bet of a gas hog! But they were also called a "HOT ROD" of the sky! They could outfly almost anything flying at that time!

 

[mga707]

What was the range of the 880?

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According to the "Great Airliners" series 880/990 book (vol. 1 in the series), the standard 880 had a range of 3,450 miles. All of the initial US operators (TWA, Delta, Northeast, and Alaska) ordered this model.
The 880M, ordered by JAL, Cathay Pacific, and other foreign carriers, had a longer 4,210-mile range.