AA - NWA - SWA - Mechanic Pay Comparison

[RV4]

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On 5/15/2003 114 PM A77IGW wrote:

I dont put any price on it. I think you make an honest living at that wage. And if i was unhappy i would try to get on with an Airline that pays more.


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Good thing we are all different. Else, the world would be boring and slavery would not be illegal.

If you checked the link provided earlier, you notice that as of yesterday:

5532 Total Signed Election Authorization Cards?You think they are all happy?

I don't! I work around 100's who are not counted in that group because they wont sign a card out of fear. But they are not happy either.

If every one of those mechanic and related employees took your advice and left, AA would be out of business and/or smaller than any Judge would have made them.

First you tell me to advocate getting rid of the TWU, I show we are working on that, then you say quit and go elsewhere, you best hope it doesn't come to that!

Replacing 6000 Mechanics might cramp your lifestyle also.

 

[RV4]

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On 5/15/2003 11:39:54 AM A77IGW wrote:

How can anyone complain when they make.

American Airlines Mechanic - TWU = $30.26 X 2080 Hours = $62,940.80

you have to be kidding me. and that is with no overtime.
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What price do you place on the overhaul of the aircraft you are flying in to assist it in maintaining altitude?

 

[KCFlyer]

Still wondering what will happen when the AMFA is voted in and you still make less than NWA or SWA mechanics.

 

[RV4]

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On 5/15/2003 2:13:23 PM KCFlyer wrote:


Still wondering what will happen when the AMFA is voted in and you still make less than NWA or SWA mechanics.
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Yes, we will indeed have to endure the full length of the worlds largest consensual concession in labor history.

Had we been under the AMFA Constitution, James C. Little, Gary Yingst, and Randy McDonald would have already been removed by the members and a complete change of union wouldn't be required.

Low pay is only a symptom of other issues.

BTW, Did you ever locate that one instance where AMFA Union Members were denied a credible vote on a contract ratification, which you previously claimed you could produce?

 

[KCFlyer]

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On 5/15/2003 344 PM RV4 wrote:


BTW, Did you ever locate that one instance where AMFA Union Members were denied a credible vote on a contract ratification, which you previously claimed you could produce?


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NO, since you still haven''t cited for me one immediate improvement to your or AA''s current situation.

 

[Buck]

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How can anyone complain when they make.

American Airlines Mechanic - TWU = $30.26 X 2080 Hours = $62,940.80

you have to be kidding me. and that is with no overtime.


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Is there anything wrong with a mechanic at American making as much as his or her peer at another airline? Why is it that when mechanics attempt to better themselves the Socialists come along and condone pay reductions that reduce their standard of living. Just because someone earns a certain level of pay does not make it ok to cut their pay and benefits to keep others employeed. The mechanics at American took these wage concessions now here comes the company to go after more and you are supporting this action.

American Air says may still file bankruptcy
Reuters, 05.15.03, 2:08 PM ET

CHICAGO, May 15 (Reuters) - AMR Corp.'s

The Fort Worth, Texas-based company in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission cited a number of factors that have or may still affect its results. Those include continued weakness in the U.S. economy, the war in Iraq, fear of another terrorist attack, the SARS outbreak and inability to satisfy conditions on various bank loans or access capital markets.

Copyright 2003, Reuters News Service

 

[RV4]

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On 5/15/2003 3:46:25 PM KCFlyer wrote:




NO, since you still haven't cited for me one immediate improvement to your or AA's current situation.

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Difficult to improve any situation with a dictator union on the property representing us.

Given the desparity in payscales, AMR should have removed the boilerplate warning about a Bankruptcy filing from the SEC filing.




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[AAquila]

You can only compare UA and AA, one broke the other headed down the same path.

 

[Checking it Out]

Typical Reply RV4, You started the thread Correct your own Half Truths! and Quit Misleading!

It is easy to put a twist on things! It is something else to be honest with the facts!

Have a Great day! ALL you TWU Brothers and Sisters!

 

[Checking it Out]

Good Morning Everyone;

The Chart you are Linking is misleading. First! you are leaving out United, USAIR, Delta, Continental, and Alaska.

Since AA does their own Heavy Maintenance you will need to enclude NW and SW Heavy Maintenance Costs per Hour. Than add all these numbers to get a better Comparision. And don''t forget the others!

It is real easy to only give half truths!

Have a Great Day!

 

[RV4]

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On 5/15/2003 11:39:54 AM A77IGW wrote:

How can anyone complain when they make.

American Airlines Mechanic - TWU = $30.26 X 2080 Hours = $62,940.80

you have to be kidding me. and that is with no overtime.


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Let's lower our Executive's Salary to the lowest standard in the inudstry and then call it "shared sacrifice"!

 

[RV4]

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On 5/16/2003 8:16:28 AM Checking it Out wrote:


Good Morning Everyone;

The Chart you are Linking is misleading. First! you are leaving out United, USAIR, Delta, Continental, and Alaska.

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Feel free to make your own chart and decieve the world in typical TWU fashion.

Fact is when comparing AMFA to the TWU, only Alaska needs to be added. Provide me the data, and I will add that to the AMFA vs. TWU paychart. If you like, we can also include regional comparison of Eagle (TWU) vs. Mesaba, ATA, ACA, and Horizon (AMFA).

There is nothing misleading about a chart that compares AMFA's success to the TWU's failures.

You could tell even more truth if that is your agenda, and create a chart that depicts the number of airlines in the last 10 years that the TWU has gained Mechanic and Related representation as compared to the AMFA advancement.

 

[RV4]

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On 5/16/2003 814 AM AAquila wrote:

You can only compare UA and AA, one broke the other headed down the same path.

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It is interesting that the only Carriers on the verge of Bankruptcy are those with mechanics represented by Industrial Unions that think saving jobs is a higher prioirty than advancing wages and benefits.

 

[KCFlyer]

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On 5/16/2003 8:28:36 AM RV4 wrote:



It is interesting that the only Carriers on the verge of Bankruptcy are those with mechanics represented by Industrial Unions that think saving jobs is a higher prioirty than advancing wages and benefits.

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Hmmm, earlier in this thread I saw this "grass is greener on the other side" comment:

5532 Total Signed Election Authorization Cards?You think they are all happy?

So I have to wonder what these 5532 guys would think if the AMFA is voted in and 3325 of them are told "adios" because their number one goal was protecting the craft and class of the remaining members.

 

[RV4]

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On 5/16/2003 9:27:38 AM KCFlyer wrote:




That''s wonderful, but you still haven''t addressed how the 3,352 of those voters will feel when they are sacrificed for the class and craft....
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It appears they all work at the MCI Maintenance Base, go ask them.