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[AMFAMAN]

Capt. Kirk, There is no need to leave the aviation industry. It will grow and prosper as soon as the unions are dead. I see a lot of improvements at Northwest already and it has only been a few days since the flight crews have begun to accept their new environment.

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PTO...Kirky is a twu supporter, his union has been dead for years.

 

[Bob Owens]

Capt. Kirk, There is no need to leave the aviation industry. It will grow and prosper as soon as the unions are dead. I see a lot of improvements at Northwest already and it has only been a few days since the flight crews have begun to accept their new environment.

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You have a funny way of defining improvements for mechanics, assuming you are speaking as a mechanic and not a company hack.

Sorry but I dont see a $10/hr cut in pay and a loss of benifits for the same amount of work, if not more, as "an improvement". Why dont you simply work for free and really make things "better"?

As far as flight crews accepting the scab enviornment I think that the string of emergency landings, the latest with gear and engine problems, will set things back a bit.

NWA says they have 1400 flights a day. So in the short amount of time since the scabs came on board they have had how many Emergency Landings? Three? So they had three emergeny landings out of 29400 flights.


9800 to 1 are the odds that NWA passengers can expect to complete their journey in the crash position with their heads betwen their knees.

Do you think thats a good record?

How does it compare to other carriers? Isnt more than triple any other carrier over the last three weeks?

 

[Bob Owens]

Jet Blue is a steady growing company and they wish to keep it that way. You are correct about them firing workers that try to organize. I think a few have been fired being unjustly accused of attempting to organize. Of course that will never show up in any file. Regardless Jet Blue is not taking any chances. Jet Blues wages are adequate and need no union intervention to suck the life out of the company. Jet Blue is poised to surpass Southwest. They need no third party, life sucking union, coming in and tripping their success up.

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Poised to surpass SWA? With all 60 airplanes, one of which sits burnt to a crisp in their brand new hangar in JFK because their mechanic did not know how to do a wet motor?

By the way from what I've been told Jet Blue did not fire the mechanic who torched the airplane, he got suspended for a week. Now if they had a union you would claim that the union was forcing the company to keep dangerous mechanics on the payroll.

So tell us how SWA has been tripped up by their union and explain why mostly non-union Delta may follow NWA into BK?

 

[Hackman]

Name: leaving UAL
Email:
Employer: use to be UAL
Station: use to be SFO
Date: Saturday September 10, 2005
Time: 10:52:09 PM
Comments
How to rid your airline of union mechanics. Step 1. Let them join AMFA. The mechanics will be a smaller group and not be supported by the other groups. Being non-AFL-CIO will also help. Step 2. Prepare for a strike by getting replacement mechanics ahead of time and be sure to get good PR support. Step 3. Make them strike, play hardball at the bargaining table and double dog dare them to strike. Step 4. Let them strike, we corporate guys love the fact that we don't have to pay you severance, unemployment or your benefits while you are out besides there are only 4000 of you now. Step 5. Let them grovel and offer them even less when they get back. Do we really want them back? Hey, the replacement guys were will to work for less and even cross a picket line to get to their jobs. Step 6. Repeat above steps until AMFA is gone from the airlines. Thank you AMFA for screwing everyone in the airlines. Your strike at Northwest showed the corporate rats how to screw everyone that is a part of AMFA. This stupid group is one of the reason I have gave up being an aircraft mechanic. I hope AMFA dies the death if deserves but the sad part is there will be a lot of good mechanics that will suffer due to your stupidity. Things are tough enough and being AMFA did not help. One AMFA self master baiter once told me," just wait a few years and see if things are not better when AMFA gets in." Well it has been a few years and the funny thing is the AMFA zealot that told me that got laid off. I guess being laid off is better. PS: Hey Dell, I hope you get to live long and old enough to see the demise of your stupid scab, self centered frat boy's club while you are in a wheel chair, iron lung or something fun like that. Thanks for nothing AMFA, I'm leaving this lousy career but I am smiling because I never have to pay another nickel to AMFA ever again.

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Another beauty off the 'Nuts BB I assume. Funny how this confused ex-UAL author never mentions the events that doomed the UAL mechanics before AMFA booted the iam. The cultist never mentions the Indy and Oakland Base closures, and the unlimited outsourcing the iam all was too happy to agree to. Typical of an iam cultist to forget the reasons why his corrupt afl-cio company union was removed not only from UAL, but NWA and Alaska too.

Capt. Kirk can only copy and paste rhetoric about other unions, as he is too embarrassed to talk about his own beloved twu company union sellouts who have never met a concession they didn't like.

Pure redundant twu idiocy. :blink:

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Poised to surpass SWA? With all 60 airplanes, one of which sits burnt to a crisp in their brand new hangar in JFK because their mechanic did not know how to do a wet motor?
How many Union maintained aircraft have burned?

By the way from what I've been told Jet Blue did not fire the mechanic who torched the airplane, he got suspended for a week. Now if they had a union you would claim that the union was forcing the company to keep dangerous mechanics on the payroll.
You are correct in that assumption. I do not know why he wasn't fired. Why don't you research that for us.

So tell us how SWA has been tripped up by their union and explain why mostly non-union Delta may follow NWA into BK?
Southwest has all but a nonexistent union. Their contract is so liberal I don’t even know why they bother. Maybe it is a psychological thing so the die-hard union guys that work there can feel complete.

I don't know what happened to Delta. A few years after it moved its operations from Monroe to Atlanta it slowly went down hill.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Back on topic....

United Auto Workers Donate $880,000 to AMFA Members Striking against Northwest Airlines


http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050913/135544.html?.v=1

Remember this when it's time to purchase a new car or truck.

 

[Bob Owens]

How many Union maintained aircraft have burned?

You tell me. In my 25 years thats the first I've seen that bad.

By the way from what I've been told Jet Blue did not fire the mechanic who torched the airplane, he got suspended for a week. Now if they had a union you would claim that the union was forcing the company to keep dangerous mechanics on the payroll.

You are correct in that assumption. I do not know why he wasn't fired. Why don't you research that for us.

Probably for the same reason that NWA is hoping that their real mechanics start crossing the picket lines.


Southwest has all but a nonexistent union. Their contract is so liberal I don’t even know why they bother.

Oh so you have a copy of their contract? By the way they are the highest paid now.

Maybe it is a psychological thing so the die-hard union guys that work there can feel complete.

Maybe SWA realizes that its better to work with the employees instead of against them. NWA said that "the mechanics need to know their place in society" during the 2001 negotiations. Well it seems that the idiots running NWA are willing to destroy the airline just to show the mechanics where they belong.

I don't know what happened to Delta. A few years after it moved its operations from Monroe to Atlanta it slowly went down hill.

The same thing that happens at every company that goes down hill-poor management. So unions cant be blamed for the demise of any airline. SWA, the most heavily unionized carrier out there is doing better than any other carrier. Jet Blue hasnt been around long enough for a proper assessment but Delta is about to go BK, and so is NWA with their new, non-union mechanics.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Maybe SWA realizes that its better to work with the employees instead of against them. NWA said that "the mechanics need to know their place in society" during the 2001 negotiations. Well it seems that the idiots running NWA are willing to destroy the airline just to show the mechanics where they belong.

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SWA has always been a people oriented company. Every person I have talked to that works there is very happy with their jobs and the company. I don't think the pay scale there has a lot to do with the unions negotiations. They might go through the motions but if the union wasn't there I think the pay would be the same. People at Southwest talk about Southwest not the union. Like I said before, the union there operates more like a glorified Human Resources Department than a union.

 

[TWAnr]

SWA has always been a people oriented company. Every person I have talked to that works there is very happy with their jobs and the company.

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Have they also told you that WN outsources all heavy maintenance?

 

[AMFAMAN]

Have they also told you that WN outsources all heavy maintenance?

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Last I heard, everything but the full "D" is coming inhouse because the quality they get from the likes of PTO sucks. I'm sure a SWAer will comment and get us the real numbers.

 

[FWAAA]

Last I heard, everything but the full "D" is coming inhouse because the quality they get from the likes of PTO sucks. I'm sure a SWAer will comment and get us the real numbers.

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Then Southwest will be hiring thousands of mechanics, right? Good news indeed.

Of course there's no chance that WN would want that heavy maintenance performed inhouse for $30/hr instead of nearly $40/hr, right? B)

 

[AMFAMAN]

Then Southwest will be hiring thousands of mechanics, right? Good news indeed.

Of course there's no chance that WN would want that heavy maintenance performed inhouse for $30/hr instead of nearly $40/hr, right? B)

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No, SWA from what I'm told does more of a tear down, send out, build up type of overhaul. They are doing 1/4 and 1/2 "D" checks at Love field. They also have a new hangar going up for more work to be brought in-house. Being that they only have 1 fleet type and narrow body at that, they would require a lot less mechanics per plane then legacy airline. I will email my SWA contact again for an update and this time ask for headcount/ manhours for their 1/4 and 1/2 "D" checks so a comparison could be done to other airlines.

 

[Bob Owens]

No, SWA from what I'm told does more of a tear down, send out, build up type of overhaul. They are doing 1/4 and 1/2 "D" checks at Love field. They also have a new hangar going up for more work to be brought in-house. Being that they only have 1 fleet type and narrow body at that, they would require a lot less mechanics per plane then legacy airline. I will email my SWA contact again for an update and this time ask for headcount/ manhours for their 1/4 and 1/2 "D" checks so a comparison could be done to other airlines.

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Any noise about putting Maint in ISP?