AA enters LAX -ATL

[robbedagain]

Jcw he wont or cant tell you bec he is so far beyond delusional n wrapped up in mgmt arse at dl he makes himself look all the more pathetic w his pro dl bs

 

[topDawg]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-airlines-expand-los-angeles-130000322.html

Uh-oh. I know where this is headed......

Oh I was so happy for this, why? WT and some of the AA fans boys getting into this pissing contest would be nothing short of epic. 
 

DL is going to buy the A380 to compete.

no see they don't need to. The lower cost and 
 
 
and
 
 
well its Delta duh.... 
 
now A380s all over the world from MIA and DFW will be happening for sure.  
 

WT AA is serving ATL adequately IMO with 3x frequencies that are well timed. Why does DL only have one MIA-LAX that is horribly timed? Seems like a market that should have more frequency.

Josh

Delta is a joke in LAX-MIA. 
 

Yup. Literally every studio and talent agency and television company and production company is in bed with American. In this industry, unless there's a non-stop on a competitor and not AA (i.e. you need to get to Atlanta), you often fly American. 
 
Delta has tried really hard to steal it, and has failed.
 
Atlanta is a hotbed for film and TV production right now, and guess who's about to get a lot of production company and Turner traffic literally overnight starting March 5th? 

got any proof of this? I would almost be willing to bet that Tuner/TBS/CNN keep flying ATL-LAX-ATL on DL. The rest of LAX flying I imagine in AA however. 
 
Every corporate contract I have ever seen generally has exceptions. Can't see TBS forcing its people onto AA flights when Delta has a much better schedule. 
 

and it's working to grab more (and given that LAX needs AA's maintenance hanger to be demolished, it'll get more).

A hangar for gates when LAX is capped as it is? I'll go a head and toss the BS flag. Considering LAWA has a plan in place to replace the AA hangars already (with new hangars).......don't see it happening.
 
Alright back to the pissing contest though.  
 

8) Old planes (MD-88/90/757/763)

 this is so annoying to me. Delta has 757s, 767s, and MD90s that a newer than some of AA's 777 or 737s. (or DL 777s/737s for that matter) 
 
and honestly if you like the pitch on a DL 739 or a AA(nAAtive) 319 and 3-3 over the 2 seat side on a MD88 or MD90 your on drugs. The little TVs are nice but completely not worth having my knees in my chest for hours. 
 
and the 757......if you don't like 757s (flying, they suck to work on) you need help. I would much rather see Delta keep flying the 57s than park them more for *yawn* 737s or A320s. 
 

Josh i do agree w you that dl website is not that good Sadly WT will Never admit any wrong doing on DL part despite the facts that support it he will change it to fit his dl narratives. I love flyin on DL MD 88s and 90s. I believe this is a smart move on AA part enter LAX to ATL. Wonder what route theyll enter next

IT is thankfully getting better and better. NW had a great IT dept, they are mostly all at Delta now.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

WT were is the list of things DL is failing at - are you still struggling with your top 10 DL mistakes?

 
Don't waste your time.
He'll never admit to anything being wrong with DL.
Everything will always end up in a "..... be that as it may, DL is still does XYZ better than ......." and the XYZ is a deflection to another unrelated topic.
Even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder can see through his WholeTruth bias.

 

[eolesen]

Looks like someone is becoming a bit unwound....

 

[WorldTraveler]

unwound over a new competitor who underperforms DL in every other market they serve from ATL compared to DL?

nah?

as much as some people here want to believe otherwise, US does a better job of obtaining revenue comparable to DL from ATL than AA does.

 

[700UW]

American plans to continue adding routes at LAX
American Airlines plans to continue its growth at its Los Angeles hub. "We've been growing the Los Angeles hub since the merger -- we were growing it pre-merger as well," said Andrew Nocella, American's chief marketing officer. The carrier has added 12 routes, including Atlanta this week, from LAX in the past year and three months. TheStreet.com (10/13)

 

[WorldTraveler]

looking at April 2015 vs April 2014, from LAX AA will have added ATL, SAT, TPA, YEG, YVR for 8.6% more seats (PM only).

For DL, same period, DL will have added AUS, BOI, DFW, LHR, MTY, MZT, SAL, SAT, YVR, ZIH, ZLO for a total of 15.3% more seats.

UA has exited a number of markets, added only MEL as a nonstop, and has 6% fewer seats.

WN's only new market from LAX is DAL for a total increase in seats of 6%.


By April 2015, DL will surpass UA to become the 2nd largest carrier at LAX. DL and PMAA are within 1% of each other in terms of seats at LAX. AA is larger by 15%, the size of US' operation. IN terms of seats offered, WN is now the 4th largest airline at LAX.

 

[LDVAviation]

 
A hangar for gates when LAX is capped as it is? I'll go a head and toss the BS flag. Considering LAWA has a plan in place to replace the AA hangars already (with new hangars).......don't see it happening.

 
There is no plan.  LAWA was hoping that AA would ramp down its maintenance activities in the High Bay Hangar and accept a much smaller facility in the the new West Aircraft Maintenance Area.  But there was never a deal to do that.
 
Which is why LAWA is now in negotiations with AA over the disposition of the hangar.  Until there is a such a deal, there can be no EIR, and therefore no work on the southern section of the Midfield Satellite Concourse (MSC).  In the past, whenever LAWA has had to demolish AA property to make way for a capital project, LAWA has compensated AA with gates and other stuff (e.g., the T4 connector).
 
There is also this to consider.  
 
There is a gate cap, 153 as of Dec 2015.  When all the gates at TBIT West are open, there will be 142 active gates (including the 18 West remote gates which are slated to be replaced by the MSC).
 
That leaves a reserve of 11 gates, minus 2.  (Two of these gates are AA's.  The original Eagle facility had 12 gates; the current one has 10.)
 
That reserve plus the 18 West remote gates is not enough to cover all the new gates LAWA wants to build.  There will be 29 gates at the MSC when fully built, 4 or more gates in the extension of the northern concourse of TBIT West, and at least 8 gates at Terminal 0.  As it is, LAWA is technically short of the gate numbers it needs for the MSC, unless of course LAWA exercises another option it has.  That is to trade gates at the MSC for gates at AA's Eagle facility.  (That's 12 gates that LAWA can replace with more flexible and accessible gates.)
 
Remember one of the objectives of the Stipulated Settlement that established the gate cap was to eliminate remote gate facilities.  With the first phase of the MSC, LAWA aims to replace the West remote gates. With the second phase, there is a strong possibility of a deal with AA to replace the Eagle facility, either with MSC gates or gates in a rebuilt T3.  (In the future, T3 will be connected landside to T4 via a seamless pedestrian walkway, serving the new CTA Automated People Mover.)
 
Whatever the case, AA is in a good position to prosper from any deal that LAWA makes to build the second phase of the MSC.

 

[dfw gen]

put the idiot on ignore. it makes it so much nicer...

 

[WorldTraveler]

There is no plan.  LAWA was hoping that AA would ramp down its maintenance activities in the High Bay Hangar and accept a much smaller facility in the the new West Aircraft Maintenance Area.  But there was never a deal to do that.
 
Which is why LAWA is now in negotiations with AA over the disposition of the hangar.  Until there is a such a deal, there can be no EIR, and therefore no work on the southern section of the Midfield Satellite Concourse (MSC).  In the past, whenever LAWA has had to demolish AA property to make way for a capital project, LAWA has compensated AA with gates and other stuff (e.g., the T4 connector).
 
There is also this to consider.  
 
There is a gate cap, 153 as of Dec 2015.  When all the gates at TBIT West are open, there will be 142 active gates (including the 18 West remote gates which are slated to be replaced by the MSC).
 
That leaves a reserve of 11 gates, minus 2.  (Two of these gates are AA's.  The original Eagle facility had 12 gates; the current one has 10.)
 
That reserve plus the 18 West remote gates is not enough to cover all the new gates LAWA wants to build.  There will be 29 gates at the MSC when fully built, 4 or more gates in the extension of the northern concourse of TBIT West, and at least 8 gates at Terminal 0.  As it is, LAWA is technically short of the gate numbers it needs for the MSC, unless of course LAWA exercises another option it has.  That is to trade gates at the MSC for gates at AA's Eagle facility.  (That's 12 gates that LAWA can replace with more flexible and accessible gates.)
 
Remember one of the objectives of the Stipulated Settlement that established the gate cap was to eliminate remote gate facilities.  With the first phase of the MSC, LAWA aims to replace the West remote gates. With the second phase, there is a strong possibility of a deal with AA to replace the Eagle facility, either with MSC gates or gates in a rebuilt T3.  (In the future, T3 will be connected landside to T4 via a seamless pedestrian walkway, serving the new CTA Automated People Mover.)
 
Whatever the case, AA is in a good position to prosper from any deal that LAWA makes to build the second phase of the MSC.

and do you suppose that other airlines are equally as interested in growing at LAX? the fact that DL by next year based on current schedules will be within 1/2 of 1 percent of the size of PMAA and larger than UA and WN says that LAWA might be responding to needs of a larger constituency than just AA?

 

[silverbird007]

Wow this thread is still going strong, someone must be extremely agitated about the title! Lol

 

[WorldTraveler]

since there is at least one response from someone else for every post I have made, perhaps you should take out your frustration on those who have replied.

BTW, I thought you were ignoring me.

 

[topDawg]

and do you suppose that other airlines are equally as interested in growing at LAX? the fact that DL by next year based on current schedules will be within 1/2 of 1 percent of the size of PMAA and larger than UA and WN says that LAWA might be responding to needs of a larger constituency than just AA?

AA is the only airline LAWA will do anything for. Come on WT. You should know that by now. 
 
(sarcasm) 

 

[WorldTraveler]

precisely... which might be why LAWA isn't giving AA the carte blanche corner on growth that AA wants.

 

[MAH4546]

Long-term gate holdings at LAX (LDV can correct me, these are from memory):
 
AA - 34
UA - 20
DL - 16
 
AA doesn't have carte blanche, but it has facilities that LAX needs demolished for it to continue it's modernization product. That is how AA got the TBIT gates it moves into in 2016; that's how AA got first dibs on the T6 gates it moves into in 12 days; that's how AA got the Eagle gates to be redefined as mainline so it can trade them in from mainline gates when available; that is how AA got a connector between T4 and TBIT; and that's how AA will work to gain more access to gates at an advantage over UA/DL/etc.