American will start Haneda

[USFlyer]

Thanks for the info.  I haven't been following the HND situation all that closely.  I just wonder how much premium traffic AA will get with these flight times.  I guess we'll see.

 

[jimntx]

Has there been a heart attack among our pro-DL members?   This thread has been open for over 7 hours now, and no response from you know who explaining why AA is doomed to failure on this route.

 

[DNTULSA]

WT!
 
There's trouble in Haneda city!

 

[does this plane go to paris]

If you're looking for reply from Delta, you might try sending it via the Corn Field or so I've been told.

 

[N628AU]

Wow, a full hour less travel time and you get the lower cabin altitude possible with the 787. Hard to believe DL will stay competitive on that route using a 767.

 

[700UW]

He is on vacation in the corn field

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Why do you all keep mentioning the troll?

Stop.

This forum is/will be a far better place if we all carry on with normal discussions and stop with the rubbernecking of the accident that was the troll.

On topic, I think it will help AA by working on the relationship with the Japanese authorities on slots. The door will slowly be opened by building relationships, not tearing them down.

 

[jcw]

Your exactly right - you can more with honey vs vinegar

 

[robbedagain]

Id imagine the cargo load would also be pretty good too  wouldnt it?

 

[MAH4546]

Delta has been actively blocking attempts at opening up new, better timed slots for Haneda-U.S. operations in order to protect it's Nartia operations. 

 

[commavia]

Cool - despite the schedule (which is essentially equally as awful as what AA's U.S. competitors have all been forced into at HND), hope it works out.
 
It is notable - given all the constant blathering we've had to listen to - that, with this add, and assuming LAX-NRT sticks around, present schedules indicate that by next summer AA will be flying 80% of the flights, and ~87% of the seats (depending on Delta 767 configuration), across the Pacific as Delta will have out of SEA across the Pacific.  And that's not counting AA's transpacific JV partner JAL, nor the LAX-AKL route that is strongly rumored to start later next year - either of which would actually put AA's transpacific gateway at LAX over the top as larger than Delta's Pacific hub at SEA.  My how the gap has narrowed ...

 

[eolesen]

Why do you all keep mentioning the troll?

Stop.

Take this momentary pause to update your ignore list, and the forums could stay peaceful...
 

Id imagine the cargo load would also be pretty good too  wouldnt it?

Yeah, probably not. Ground space at HND is at a premium, so it's not exactly cargo friendly. Maybe some counter to counter/PPS stuff.

 

[FWAAA]

Yeah, probably not. Ground space at HND is at a premium, so it's not exactly cargo friendly. Maybe some counter to counter/PPS stuff.

That sounds reasonable, but AA predicted last winter that its 777 would carry between 42,000 pounds of cargo per flight (at 100% load factor) and 55,000 pounds (at 80% load factor), so unless management was unaware of potential cargo limitations at HND, they were predicting large cargo capacity per flight. AA boasted in that application that the 777s would offer much more cargo capacity than DL's 763s.

AA's 787-8s should offer lots of cargo capacity both directions, assuming there's sufficient ramp space to load, unload and sort.

 

[eolesen]

In applications, everyone boasts about capacity. Demand is never a concern until after the awards are issued...