AA enters LAX -ATL

[jcw]

it's a seasonal reduction, Josh.We can decide by a week from tomorrow who better manages their network for profitability.this "game" isn't about throwing seats out there that can't be profitably flown.however, DL is growing their schedule from BOS more than any other airline except for DL's Skyteam partners AZ and AF beginning in November.With new flights and the upgraded Shuttle to LGA, DL will be offering 11.4% more seats from BOS than they did a year ago.back to LAX.As dawg notes, DL is not tapped out and has considerably more growth capacity at LAX even using the gates they have... and DL is as interested in gaining access to further gates as AA is - and as much as you want to think otherwise, stands as good of a chance of succeeding.further, DL most definitely has the ability to upgauge flights at LAX... DL already carries more passenger per flight from LAX than AA or UA, due in large part to the fact that DL has mainline aircraft on 80% of its flights.so, DL can and will grow at LAX as long as there is a market to do so. And if there isn't a viable market, AA won't be making any money growing either.... but then making money hasn't been their goal in Asia.

Let me understand when DL pulls down a route for seasonal purposes that is perfectly makes sense

When AA pulls down a route for seasonal purposes you slam AA

You are amazing - what meds produce these hallucinations

Have you published the top 10 things DL does wrong

 

[robbedagain]

Let me understand when DL pulls down a route for seasonal purposes that is perfectly makes sense

When AA pulls down a route for seasonal purposes you slam AA

You are amazing - what meds produce these hallucinations

Have you published the top 10 things DL does wrong

exactly   you hit the nail on the head with that jcw!!   and no he has not published a darn thing let alone 10 things dl does wrong     why you may ask  bec he can never since he was a mgmt clown 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Let me understand when DL pulls down a route for seasonal purposes that is perfectly makes sense
When AA pulls down a route for seasonal purposes you slam AA

You are amazing - what meds produce these hallucinations

Have you published the top 10 things DL does wrong

uh.... so sad that you don't understand that my complaint has long been that AA is adding/maintaining flying where it doesn't make financial sense to do so.

when AA announced their seasonal flying cuts to Europe, I said it was great that it was finally coming. Nowhere did I criticize them for doing that.

If they did the same thing with a large part of their Asia flying, I would have nothing to hold against them.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Are you never not on here?

 
 
I think spectator works the night shift.
 
 

further, DL most definitely has the ability to upgauge flights at LAX... DL already carries more passenger per flight from LAX than AA or UA, due in large part to the fact that DL has mainline aircraft on 80% of its flights.
 

 
I love these qualifiers and custom-crafted parameters especially since they validate the DL uber alles narrative.

 

[WorldTraveler]

someone has been up TOO late last night and is TICKED at the fact that AA can't match their success.

can you tell me what part of the $1 BILLION in profit sharing you will get that DL employees will enjoy this year.


ONE BILLION DOLLARS!!!!

the APFA sold its members out for a bowl of oatmeal.

 

[diamondcutter]

someone has been up TOO late last night and is TICKED at the fact that AA can't match their success.can you tell me what part of the $1 BILLION in profit sharing you will get that DL employees will enjoy this year.ONE BILLION DOLLARS!!!!the APFA sold its members out for a bowl of oatmeal.

We get payed double the amount for vaca that DL does. Worth more than profit sharing will ever pay a FA. This is just one of many area we are payed more than DL.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

We'll see how much profit sharing payouts are if the other Ebola shoe drops or there's an ISIS attack on American soil, etc...

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

from Holly Hegeman:

"As for the question about profit-sharing, the company has allocated $50 million a year to, in essence, monetize projected profit-sharing benefits. I can tell you that if you talk to a Wall Street analyst, the total value of this contract, including that monetization for profit- sharing, is above where they anticipated the company was going to come in.
That $50 million annually also represents about 3.7% of the total increase in wages. To compare, the flight attendants were awarded 3.25% profit sharing in the 2001 contract - but of course, the flight attendants never received any profit-sharing at all, thanks to 9/11.
I don't know about you, but in this industry, I would rather have cold hard cash -- especially if it is more than my peers -- in my hot little hand. Now.
As it stands, this contract delivers that."

WT, you are the last person who should be giving APFA advice on negotiations.

 

[WorldTraveler]

We get payed double the amount for vaca that DL does. Worth more than profit sharing will ever pay a FA. This is just one of many area we are payed more than DL.

 
 

We'll see how much profit sharing payouts are if the other Ebola shoe drops or there's an ISIS attack on American soil, etc...

 
 

from Holly Hegeman:

"As for the question about profit-sharing, the company has allocated $50 million a year to, in essence, monetize projected profit-sharing benefits. I can tell you that if you talk to a Wall Street analyst, the total value of this contract, including that monetization for profit- sharing, is above where they anticipated the company was going to come in.
That $50 million annually also represents about 3.7% of the total increase in wages. To compare, the flight attendants were awarded 3.25% profit sharing in the 2001 contract - but of course, the flight attendants never received any profit-sharing at all, thanks to 9/11.
I don't know about you, but in this industry, I would rather have cold hard cash -- especially if it is more than my peers -- in my hot little hand. Now.
As it stands, this contract delivers that."

WT, you are the last person who should be giving APFA advice on negotiations.

let me reiterate again. based on profit sharing of over $1 BILLION in profit sharing, DL employees will see well over 12% - and perhaps as high as 15% - in profit sharing.

the only way that a justification for what Holly and the APFA have said is sufficient is if you believe that US airlines are not capable of sustained profitability - the antithesis of the justification of mergers.

The simple fact is that you would have to sit around and wait for DL to lose money because that is the only way that DL employees would end up worse off than DL employees.

in the meantime, DL employee profit sharing FAR exceeds what the APFA allocated as justification for profit sharing.

If AA cannot deliver the same type of profits as DL, then you and Holly should be seriously asking why.


DL also says that overall int'l capacity will not be increased in 2015 but there will be a European shift to LHR where profit margins are considerably higher. Combined with weakness in S. America and Asia, it is clear that AA has bigger headwinds on its int'l system ahead than DL.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

You are truly a dolt if you believe the airline industry is always going to be profitable. Travel and transport is highly cyclical and dependent on the economy, which itself is highly cyclical. Is that something you fail to "grasp."

 

[WorldTraveler]

and at this very moment, Jamie Baker is asking DL about adding capacity into other carrier strength markets with his observation that it has the potential to destroy tens of millions of dollars in shareholder value.

He says he will ask the same question of other airlines as well.

DL notes that its RASM and profitability in the markets where DL has added are showing positive growth for both metrics. Given AA's previous concern about DL capacity additions into LHR and DL's statement that its financial performance at LHR is improving, the addition of ATL-LAX by AA has to be seen within the larger context of AA-DL competitive capacity growth.

 

[Mach85ER]

and at this very moment, Jamie Baker is asking DL about adding capacity into other carrier strength markets with his observation that it has the potential to destroy tens of millions of dollars in shareholder value.

 

 
After 25 years at a major airline, I wouldn't trust Jamie Baker or 99% of alleged airline analysts to run a neighborhood newspaper delivery network with more than 5 kids.

 

[diamondcutter]

let me reiterate again. based on profit sharing of over $1 BILLION in profit sharing, DL employees will see well over 12% - and perhaps as high as 15% - in profit sharing.the only way that a justification for what Holly and the APFA have said is sufficient is if you believe that US airlines are not capable of sustained profitability - the antithesis of the justification of mergers.The simple fact is that you would have to sit around and wait for DL to lose money because that is the only way that DL employees would end up worse off than DL employees.in the meantime, DL employee profit sharing FAR exceeds what the APFA allocated as justification for profit sharing.If AA cannot deliver the same type of profits as DL, then you and Holly should be seriously asking why.DL also says that overall int'l capacity will not be increased in 2015 but there will be a European shift to LHR where profit margins are considerably higher. Combined with weakness in S. America and Asia, it is clear that AA has bigger headwinds on its int'l system ahead than DL.

AGAIN, we are payed double in vaca than DL fa's and that trumps the profit sharing, just to name a few!! Yet , that's all you can harp on is PS, to which I just explained !!!!! I'm sure you will respond with DL's shift to LHR, RASM ,CASM , SPASM , PRASM , SMLASM ect ect ect... With a long post with the same regurgitated stats, and opinions over and over again!! I comes as no surprize as to why you were KICKED OFF airliners.net!!!!!!!

 

[WorldTraveler]

you don't have to.

but they do have a lot of influence with investors

and they are asking why AA and DL are at each other's necks with competitive market additions.

feel free to add your version...
DL WAS GIVEN FOR NEAR FREE 25% of the LGA slots and added service from LGA to every major market including DFW.
With the intended opening of DAL, DL advised of its intent to fly from DAL, not DFW, to DL's hubs plus LGA and LAX. When DL could not obtain enough space from DAL, it moved its LAX flights to DFW - exactly what the DOJ and AA said DL could do.
DL bought 49% of Virgin Atlantic and has added service in key LHR markets, noting that DL's financial performance in LHR has improved.

AA added ATL-LAX and readded ATL-LGA on what justification?

and, no your vacation pay won't BEGIN to come close to the profit sharing that DL employees will take home.

 

[diamondcutter]

you don't have to.but they do have a lot of influence with investorsand they are asking why AA and DL are at each other's necks with competitive market additions.feel free to add your version...DL WAS GIVEN FOR NEAR FREE 25% of the LGA slots and added service from LGA to every major market including DFW.With the intended opening of DAL, DL advised of its intent to fly from DAL, not DFW, to DL's hubs plus LGA and LAX. When DL could not obtain enough space from DAL, it moved its LAX flights to DFW - exactly what the DOJ and AA said DL could do.DL bought 49% of Virgin Atlantic and has added service in key LHR markets, noting that DL's financial performance in LHR has improved.AA added ATL-LAX and readded ATL-LGA on what justification?and, no your vacation pay won't BEGIN to come close to the profit sharing that DL employees will take home.

Again yes it will , it's interesting my DL friend called when she and her colleagues read our ENTIRE TA to say we more than make up for the PS in vaca, duty rigs , last trip pay for cancellations, sick pay , ect!! Put ours with theirs and it a no brainer. Yet again no wonder you were KICKED off airliners.net!!!