AA Down Under and Trans Pac?

[jcw]

yet in the minds of a cheerleader the world revolves around Delta

 

[WorldTraveler]

nope....

you missed the part about DL being #1 in NYC, UA #1 in ORD, and AA #1 in LAX... the difference is that the situation in LAX is far more fluid and the competition is far more aggressive to AA than what is happening in NYC or ORD.

doesn't sound to be like the world revolves around DL but rather that DL and UA are both trying to do everything they can to minimize the gains that AA can get from the merger... exactly what I said would happen when everyone was proclaiming how much the AA/US merger would do.

 

[jcw]

if it makes you feel comfortable that DL and UA are working hard to catch up to AA's advantages from the merger good for you

 

[WorldTraveler]

you clearly missed or are trying to ignore that AA is still the #3 US int'l carrier, #3 to Asia and across the Atlantic, and such a distant #3 from NYC and from LAX for int'l passengers that the notion that DL and UA are catching up is laughable.

further, you do realize that AA was the only of the big 4 US carriers that shrunk in Feb.

in contrast, DL carried more additional passengers in 2015 than any other US airline.
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/

 

[jcw]

Yes everyone on here knows AA is a lost cause and should stop flying tomorrow and DL rules the world

 

[WorldTraveler]

nobody said that except you.

perhaps, just maybe, you can begin to accept that what I said about the AA/US merger is correct - it created a large domestic carrier which still left AA as the #3 carrier across the both Atlantic and the Pacific and AA is trying to grow int'l just as its key market region where AA is the largest - Latin America - is going thru significant economic and currency challenges. and domestically, AA is facing a larger growth in competition than any other airline.

AA doesn't need to give up but they do have some major strategic challenges which other airlines do not and which I have been highlighting for years.

 

[jcw]

do you read your posts - you go out of your way on how AA won't be successful with anything - get a grip on what you say - get some help - as evidenced by the last hour or so where if there is anything positive said about AA you are on here as fast as possible to point out how DL is better
 
get help

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, I did not and have not said that AA will not be successful at anything.

I have accurately pointed out the market based factual information which you and others keep wanting to ignore.

if you don't want to hear the facts, don't bring up the issues.

 

[jcw]

bless your heart

 

[LDVAviation]

and yet in the minds of AA people, the world revolves around NYC, ORD, and LAX because that is where AA's network is located.

problem is that AA ignored NYC for years and DL is now #1 in NYC, UA is #1 in CHI, and AA is desperately trying to hold onto #1 in LAX where they are the largest domestic carrier but DL is the largest int'l carrier and carries the most local passengers from LAX to Asia

and yes DL serves more destinations from LAX than either AA or UA.

AA funnels a higher percentage of its total traffic to its top 5 markets than DL does... which just says that AA is big in a smaller number of cities than DL or UA.

 
More destinations than AA or UA?  So what?  Do you think that makes up for not operating a single frequency on Chicago-LAX or DC-LAX?  More destinations certainly helps, but if you don't serve Chicago or DC from LA it is ridiculous to think that alone gives any airline an edge, specifically with corporate customers.
 
As to the rankings, on average AA's market position is much better than Delta's.  Delta is No. 3 in LAX and No. 4 in Chicago, while AA is a close No. 3 in NYC/EWR, a close No. 2 in Chicago, and #1 in LAX.  Moreover, if you compare the position of all three in the top 10 MSA's, AA is clearly the one in the better position.  So, good for you that you can count to 3, but you have proven nothing.
 
As to what AA is doing at LAX, there is really nothing desperate about it because they have the luxury of space (gates) and the good will of the LAWA managers.  On the other hand, what Delta is doing is quite desperate.  The PVG route strongly suggests that they are hedging their bets with the Seattle hub.  Furthermore, while still not offering a single flight to the top two business destinations from LA, DL continues to complete its LAX schedule with the ad hoc route, thus demonstrating that they can only compete on the periphery.  For a while, DL was also testing LAWA's resolve with respect to gate usage, thinking that it could get away with something.  I'll concede that was more sleazy than desperate, but LAWA put an end to that.

 

[Platinum Steve]

Given that he is unable to generate a straight answer to my questions, can someone else provide me with the following:

1) How many gates at T5 or T6 does DL have that can handle a 777?
2) How many of those gates can handle 777s simultaneously?
3) If all of those 777 gates are occupied by 777s, how many adjoining gates will DL lose for other ops?

As I've mentioned before, this last question gets into a murkier area of guessing and prognostication:

4) assuming that DL does not have the ability to match AA to keep them in check due to a shortage of gates, where will they go to get those gates?

Thanks.

 
I don't mean to be a broken record on this, but does anyone know the answers to these questions?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Steve,
while you continue to cling to the notion that DL will run out of gates and LDV wants to point out that DL doesn't serve LAX to Chicago, you both would do well to note that DL is the largest int'l carrier and that was based on 2014 boarding statistics which didn't include more than a couple months of the new DL LHR flight and does not include PVG which starts this summer.

so, go ahead and point out all of those flaws. DL is moving more passengers thru its limited number of gates to the places that generate the most amount of revenue and in so doing has ensured that AA and UA both are far from being close to DL's position from LAX to Latin America or Asia.

if flying to Chicago makes or breaks who is the dominant airline, then it is likely DL won't be in the running.

but if flying the most int'l passengers and getting the most revenue per flight has any bearing in success, then DL is very well positioned in LAX.

and it is only a pipe dream that DL is hedging its bets about SEA. DL said all along that their west coast strategy would be focused on both LAX and SEA for the complete reason that DL can bookend the west coast with two gateways.

UA has the largest single gateway on the west coast but on a combined basis, DL is very well positioned to become the west coast's largest int'l airline.

DL simply has developed a superior strategic plan for the west coast compared to what AA and UA have done.

you need only look at NYC to realize what DL has done in a market where it was #3 to see that smarter planning, best in class execution, and laser like competitive focus can easily rearrange the market

 

[eolesen]

I don't mean to be a broken record on this, but does anyone know the answers to these questions?

Steve, there are some great DL people on the DL forum. You might want to ask there.

 

[WorldTraveler]

if he flies out of LAX as much as he says he does, all he has to do is look across the tarmac to DL's operation.


and given that the T4-5 connector is open, he would be even better suited to go look at the operation himself.

but if he wants to ask someone so he can hold onto his hope that DL will run out of gate space and will no longer be able to be the number 1 int'l airline at LAX, to Asia, and to Latin America, then by all means ask all the people he wants.

but Steve isn't interested in operational information; if he was, he appears to be smart enough to go look at the DL operation and see the multiple 777s, 744s, and 330s parked at the same time that 767s are at the gate. He's solely interested in trying to come up with some hope that AA can do at LAX in the international market what it hasn't been able to do for years.

 

[LDVAviation]

 
I don't mean to be a broken record on this, but does anyone know the answers to these questions?

 
There is an answer to your question on airliners.net.  Use the search function.  
 
Narrow the search to posts by a user named Aaway.  He knows his stuff and has answered this question before.  
 
(WorldFraudster is NOT an authority on the subject.  He once posted on here that DL had helped pay for the renovations to T6 and that because of that it had some leverage over the entire terminal.  That is FALSE.  He is a FRAUD.)