AA and US merger?

[AAviator]

They will merge [or be purchased] by/with UAL - putting AMR in an even worse place than they are in right now.

So LCC will disappear? PHL will survive sandwiched between IAD and EWR? LAS will survive with SFO firing on all cylinders? IAD and EWR , with good coverage on the east coast will have no impact on CLT?

Man, that doesn't sound like a likely or good outcome for LCC.

If its so strategically bad for UAL's competitors, why haven't they done the deed yet?

 

[jimntx]

They will merge [or be purchased] by/with UAL - putting AMR in an even worse place than they are in right now.

What does LCC have that UAL would want? Didn't I read on this forum that LCC is already in danger of being kicked out of Star because the service is not up to the standards of the major players in Star?

 

[FA Mikey]

Ok son if you think so. Right now US is not in Chapter 11

I wil worry when they sink to having to do it a second time and still be unable to be successful like, Oh I dont know? "U"

For all the bravado you spew. You are here trying to get on this ride, AA'ers, like its brethren at DAL and UAL have already said No Thanks!

 

[eolesen]

What does LCC have that UAL would want? Didn't I read on this forum that LCC is already in danger of being kicked out of Star because the service is not up to the standards of the major players in Star?

That, plus you have to consider that if UAL were to merge with LCC, the DOJ and EU would have to reconsider all the ATI & JV approvals. Note that US isn't included in those, and has never been mentioned as joining the JV's. Wonder why?...

 

[ebwgs]

Sorry ma'am.

I, as well as everyone else here, understands your position.

Lets theorize, what happens to LCC 2, 3, 5 years down the road IF a LCC AA combination does not occur.

Now, NOBODY knows with certainty what will happen in BK, and you've taken a strong position that LCC's problems are over with all of this. So lets shift gears a little and speculate what happens to LCC. Shall we?

I see the eternal holding pattern LCC has been in get one more extension to their EFC. After that, DP is faced with what to do with LCC.

Again, since nobody knows where this road leads, and based on your "bet" AA and LCC will combine..

What happens to LCC in a couple of years if this merger doesn't happen?

Um, sweetie this post makes absolutely no sense to me. First of all I'm not into theorizing. And there are way too many economic variables for me, you, my company or any other company for that matter to "take a strong position that they won't have problems or that LCC's problems are over." Given typical AArogance you may have at one time taken that position and now it's come back to bite you. And no where have I written that I was taking a "bet" on an AA-US combination. And to answer your question "What happens to LCC in a couple of years if this merger doesn't happen?" I don't know the answer--and neither do you--to that question anymore than I did if you posed it to me after our BKi and BK II. What I do know however, is that we're still here. Try some Rocky Road with you slice of pie.

 

[ebwgs]

I wil worry when they sink to having to do it a second time and still be unable to be successful like, Oh I dont know? "U"

For all the bravado you spew. You are here trying to get on this ride, AA'ers, like its brethren at DAL and UAL have already said No Thanks!

If you knew anything about what you're talking about you'd already knew that we've filed twice. Have a cup of coffee with that pie this morning.

 

[FA Mikey]

Sorry about that. It was a direct reference to usairways. I will try to be more direct next time so you can understand with out additional explanation.

 

[bigbusboy]

Bigbusboy,
Your arguments still attempt to focus on the east coast – and your perspective of looking at total number of hubs doesn’t factor in the revenue that those hubs produce.
First, any US/AA combination still does nothing w/ the west coast or Asia, areas that DL and/or UA have advantages. UA has the west coast taken care of – but that is precisely where DL could focus its next strategic moves – but UA doesn’t have a SE presence. The SE which does include MIA is still the largest revenue region in the US and DL is the dominant network carrier in the region and in every key city except for MIA as AA’s hub and CLT as US’…. But DL is a solid #2 even in those regions.
However, you say that DL and UA will have NYC plus one other hub – IAD for UA plus ATL for DL… yet the simple fact remains that the NYC markets remains much larger than any other market and as hubs – DL and UA both have enormous power to concentrate the east coast market using the strength of the local market – hubs are built on strong local markets and the strongest hubs have the strongest local markets. The difference is that EWR is slot restricted so UA/CO cannot grow anymore in the NYC area; DL’s addition of flights will allow it to match if not exceed UA/CO’s total NYC size but will do it from LGA and JFK which is where the largest markets from NYC are to just about any city in the US… IAH is about the only market from NYC where the largest market is from EWR and not LGA or JFK but that could change if DL decides to start LGA-IAH service. Given that LGA is by far the preferred airport compared to both EWR and JFK in markets that are within the perimeter rule, DL has a revenue advantage that could add billions in dollars in revenue that others cannot match.
The revenue that you obtain in your strongest local markets is what you use to “fund” the hub you build to support the entire region.
And you still can’t overlook the fact that DL carries more revenue to/from/through ATL than ANY OTHER TWO HUBS in the US combined; ie DL carries more revenue to/from/through ATL than UA carries through EWR/IAD, AA through MIA/DFW, AA/US carries through MIA/CLT etc.
When you combine the strength of DL’s ATL hub with what it will have in NYC, there is no conceivable combination that can surpass DL’s strength on the east coast.
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My response is over on the US board since I feel any further discussion here will only inflame raw nerves. AA people have much more important issues to concern themselves with than a merger with US. It was never my intention to denigrate AA, nor is it my "passionate desire" to work for AA.

 

[signals]

And by the way I'm an AMT for US Airways and we make more than the mechanics at AA so get off your high horse already and face reality that theres a possibility AA gets chopped up an US will b standing by with 2 billion dollars in cash on hand to pick up the pieces. That's my fantasy. I did not want to go there but u forced me too.

A good question isn't whose mechanics make more, but who has the most outsourced mechanics?

 

[RevThruster]

I wil worry when they sink to having to do it a second time and still be unable to be successful like, Oh I dont know? "U"

For all the bravado you spew. You are here trying to get on this ride, AA'ers, like its brethren at DAL and UAL have already said No Thanks!

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In case you haven't noticed, UAL didn't say "no thanks" they have tried to marry US on more than one occasion. Unfortunately, you can't come to terms with reality. AA is not the cream of the crop like you think they are. Your hatred towards USAIRWAYS makes me think you tried to get a job there but was turned down. Hopefully, you mature at some point, your insecurities are horribly vivid through your posts. I truly feel for any work group that gets coupled with attitudes like yours. It is a shame that people have to be so insecure, and even moreso over things they literally have no control over. sad. s.ad s.a.d.

 

[signals]

Sorry ma'am.

I, as well as everyone else here, understands your position.

Lets theorize, what happens to LCC 2, 3, 5 years down the road IF a LCC AA combination does not occur.

Now, NOBODY knows with certainty what will happen in BK, and you've taken a strong position that LCC's problems are over with all of this. So lets shift gears a little and speculate what happens to LCC. Shall we?

I see the eternal holding pattern LCC has been in get one more extension to their EFC. After that, DP is faced with what to do with LCC.

Again, since nobody knows where this road leads, and based on your "bet" AA and LCC will combine..

What happens to LCC in a couple of years if this merger doesn't happen?

History dictates that they will be crying merger wolf about another airline they plan to defile!

 

[signals]

My response is over on the US board since I feel any further discussion here will only inflame raw nerves. AA people have much more important issues to concern themselves with than a merger with US. It was never my intention to denigrate AA, nor is it my "passionate desire" to work for AA.

US should fix their last merger abortion before crying merger wolf at every turn. I find it laughable that this US/AA merger was being discussed at the US-holes board before there was an announcement about BK by AA.

I have no affiliation with the airlines but call a kettle what it is

 

[WorldTraveler]

My response is over on the US board since I feel any further discussion here will only inflame raw nerves. AA people have much more important issues to concern themselves with than a merger with US. It was never my intention to denigrate AA, nor is it my "passionate desire" to work for AA.

and I appreciate your focus on the issues instead of the emotions. Given that these discussions are between people who do not know each other - I know no one involved in this thread - I answer on the basis of facts not emotions anyway.... but you are right that even facts are hard for some people to do with regarding this issue - so continually harping on them doesn't accomplish much.
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From a network standpoint, UA ALWAYS was a better fit with US than AA will be.... but that still doesn't make it a good fit to AA if no one else is interested or has already built their east coast network.
And UA could still be interested in US absent the DCA operation... they just won't succeed at a merger that includes DCA... but to be honest, US is at the size in DCA that a merger w/ ANYONE won't work.

 

[AAviator]

Um, sweetie this post makes absolutely no sense to me. First of all I'm not into theorizing. And there are way too many economic variables for me, you, my company or any other company for that matter to "take a strong position that they won't have problems or that LCC's problems are over." Given typical AArogance you may have at one time taken that position and now it's come back to bite you. And no where have I written that I was taking a "bet" on an AA-US combination. And to answer your question "What happens to LCC in a couple of years if this merger doesn't happen?" I don't know the answer--and neither do you--to that question anymore than I did if you posed it to me after our BKi and BK II. What I do know however, is that we're still here. Try some Rocky Road with you slice of pie.

My apologies. I looked back and saw that etops1 double posted on the "bet" with WT. Thought it was you.

So, to clarify, your posting here on the AA board and just about every AA+US merger thread is to say "nobody knows"?

So why is it when a US fan posts that US and AA will merge, you're silent, and when an AA fan says , "no we won't" you burn up your keyboard posting.... "nobody knows".......??

 

[FA Mikey]

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In case you haven't noticed, UAL didn't say "no thanks" they have tried to marry US on more than one occasion. Unfortunately, you can't come to terms with reality. AA is not the cream of the crop like you think they are. Your hatred towards USAIRWAYS makes me think you tried to get a job there but was turned down. Hopefully, you mature at some point, your insecurities are horribly vivid through your posts. I truly feel for any work group that gets coupled with attitudes like yours. It is a shame that people have to be so insecure, and even moreso over things they literally have no control over. sad. s.ad s.a.d.

I am an AAer and the majority of my posts are to and about AA. How about you? Check the mirror, perhaps you are channeling your own dreams of working for AA. Why so many posts here and about it?

No hatred, just a lack of understanding to a group of usair employees posting endlessly about how great "U" is and the disillutional dream of a marriage.

FYI: The first pull of the rug from under your feet is AA using its own DIP financing. Look for more raod blocks to your AA dreams.

your insecurities are horribly vivid through your posts.

Really Pot meet Kettle.