A New Low For Aapfa, Dba Apfa

[jimntx]

I got my copy of the proposed constitutional changes today. Article II, Section 4.B, paragraph 6, if approved, will deny furloughees the right to vote unless they pay their dues in full. This is nothing more than an ploy to disenfranchise the former TWA flight attendants who make up the bulk of those of us still on furlough.

I don't want to hear any arguments that other unions do this. Yes, they do. And, they did from the very beginning. No union in the U.S. has ever changed its constitution after the fact to deny a class of members the right to vote.

Also, I smell a lawsuit; I smell a lawsuit. We furloughees, are the ONLY, non-working members who are singled out in this change to begin having to pay dues.
Hell, there is another change which exempts someone who has been fired or suspended by the company (and, we all know you have to really blot your copy book to get fired at AA) if they appeal for reinstatement. AND, they only have to pay the back dues in full if they are awarded back pay in full. If they get 50% back pay, they only have to pay 50% of the back dues. AND, THEY GET TO CONTINUE VOTING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.

This is so very low-class, underhanded, yellow-bellied, and slimy, that I don't even have words to describe it. Any AA flight attendant who votes for this change deserves the labels, like skynAAzi, that have been used on this board by flight attendants from other airlines. :angry:

Unlike changes to the U.S. Constitution or the state Constitution where one would be allowed to vote for one change and against another, it appears that we will have to do a straight up or down vote. And, if the APFA plans to pretend that this provision is already in force and tries to prevent me from voting, I'll be the first to sign up for the lawsuit.

NOTE TO FORMER TWA FLIGHT ATTENDANTS: If you start having fundraisers to help people pay their dues, let me know where to send my check.

 

[L1011Ret]

Yup, underhanded, yellow-bellied, cowardly, and slimy all apply. APFU will say that it is not directed at the TWA F/As, but who will believe them? Of course the big question is why now? I do not see any credible reasons being put forth to explain this move. I have not heard any reason why the consitiution needs to be changed NOW! It is probably not illegal, but may be stupid if presented to a jury awarding damages in the main TWA F/A lawsuit. Any good lawyer will tell you not to retaliate if you have been charged with discrinination or unequal treatment. But it proves a bigger point, that there is so much animosity in APFA towards the TWA F/As, that APFA cannot legitimately any longer represent itself as some form of sisterhood/brotherhood. Should this amendment pass, it will split the membership even more. Stupid is as APFU does. Thank you Jim for posting this.

 

[MCI transplant]

:angry: Jimntx----- Lawsuit? You bet yea!!! Wait tell TWAnr gets wind of this one! I didn't think any so called Union would do something like this!! I'll kick in!!! Just give me a name, and address to send the check!!!!!Does this have J.W. written all over it??? :down: :down: :down:

 

[LiveInAHotel]

The sad thing about this whole deal is that you can't just blame John Ward. All 18 of the BOD's voted YES to have the changes made to our Constitution. They also will be reducing APFA dues to $38, but this is only temporary!! :down: :down: :down:

I do believe JW has the biggest hand in this crap.

Maybe it's time to vote the APFA out???

 

[twasilverbullet]

They just keep digging that pit deeper and deeper. Just one more thing to add to the lawsuit. The outlook keeps on getting better day by day. Thank you Jim and MCI transplant for your support.

LiveInAHotel, I like your idea the best!..... get rid of APFA!!

 

[jimntx]

Don't forget. I'm being disenfranchised also. I thought about it last night, and came up with something even worse. What if this is nothing more than a money grab?

It occurred to me that maybe the crowd at Useless Blvd know that the former TW people will start raising funds to pay everyone's dues. This way they would not have to cut their spending because they would get back most of the revenue they lost by being so totally incompetent in the the RPA negotiations. They get your money without having you on property.

 

[L1011Ret]

Jim, may I copy your original post at the top to another BB?

 

[jimntx]

Jim, may I copy your original post at the top to another BB?

Of course.

 

[Flyboy4u]

I agree Jim...This "so called" union is up to it again....I can say since my recent return to the line that the APFA has very FEW supporters on the line as well. It seems they are doing anything they can to obtain funds to stay afloat. This may be the nail in the coffin for them. They are digging that hole even deeper. Maybe the APFA needs to file a chapter 11, or better yet, a chapter 7.

What Unity?

 

[FA Mikey]

The sad thing about this whole deal is that you can't just blame John Ward. All 18 of the BOD's voted YES to have the changes made to our Constitution. They also will be reducing APFA dues to $38, but this is only temporary!! :down: :down: :down:

I do believe JW has the biggest hand in this crap.

Maybe it's time to vote the APFA out???

In or out, its the same. Until flight attendants get involved, vote and make there voices heard. This kind of BS will continue. Changing unions does nothing. The same people will eventually be in the exact same places they are now.

 

[jimntx]

In or out, its the same. Until flight attendants get involved, vote and make there voices heard. This kind of BS will continue. Changing unions does nothing. The same people will eventually be in the exact same places they are now.

Can I have an AMEN from the choir. Mikey has gone straight to the heart of the matter. When half of a union's membership doesn't even bother to vote in an election for national officers, the union gets what the membership deserves.

For over 2 years I attended just about every monthly base meeting at DFW (need I point out, the largest domestic base). Quite often beside the base chair and/or the vice-chair, there would be me and one of my classmates (class 2000-23, went on line 07SEP00) in attendance. Out of {then} 3000+ flight attendants, you get two very junior f/as attending the base meetings?

 

[latreal]

Can I have an AMEN from the choir. Mikey has gone straight to the heart of the matter. When half of a union's membership doesn't even bother to vote in an election for national officers, the union gets what the membership deserves.

For over 2 years I attended just about every monthly base meeting at DFW (need I point out, the largest domestic base). Quite often beside the base chair and/or the vice-chair, there would be me and one of my classmates (class 2000-23, went on line 07SEP00) in attendance. Out of {then} 3000+ flight attendants, you get two very junior f/as attending the base meetings?

Jim, I honestly think "your side" should be glad half the membership did not vote.

 

[pooksmom]

I only hope that each flight attendant reads and understands exactly what will take
place with the proposed changes. With continued hikes in oil prices, a major economic downturn or one more act of terrorism against the airline industry, we could lose at least another 1/4, maybe more to furlough...and have no voice in our union. This is an insult !
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. VOTE NO! :down:

 

[L1011Ret]

For those who think APFA might be going broke, consider APFA owns its own building, all the furnishings inside and the land under it. They have substantial positive cash flow and a 2.5 million line of credit. Not soon at any rate.

 

[jimntx]

Jim, I honestly think "your side" should be glad half the membership did not vote.

Exactly what do you mean by "my side?"