A.M.F.A. support at the line stations?

[ThirdSeatHero]

You dodge and twist everything, including this. You need agreement? I'll agree to this statement from you.

" You're obviously comfortable with closed negotiations, myself and others are not. You have your reasons that you feel validate your position, and we have our reasons to validate our positions."

Your next line however does nothing but void out you first. In other words, you will generously allow me to my own beliefs, as long as I admit my beliefs are wrong?

Seriously?

Seriously?

I'm not asking you to admit your beliefs are wrong, I was just curious to find out if you had enough integrity to acknowledge that members have in fact been hurt under the system you believe in.

 

[TWU informer]

Maybe Anomaly is right, there are some benefits to campaign finance.

Is this the return on investment you were speaking of Anomaly?

MAY 2008 Flashback....

Sen. Barack Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption, according to officials from the union and the Obama campaign.

…John Coli, vice president for the Teamsters central region, who brokered the Teamsters endorsement, said Sen. Obama was “pretty definitive that the time had come to start the beginning of the end” of the three-member independent review board that investigates suspect activity in the union. Mr. Coli said that Sen. Obama conveyed that view in a series of phone conversations and meetings with Teamsters officials last year.

…Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor confirmed the candidate’s position in a statement to The Wall Street Journal, saying that Sen. Obama believes that the board “has run its course,” because “organized crime influence in the union has drastically declined.” Mr. Vietor said Sen. Obama took that position last year.

 

[TWU informer]

Wow, now I really want to sign a card for the Teamsters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO5ygxtJwUE&feature=player_embedded

 

[TWU informer]

Got to love Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Y4V7WadbI&feature=player_embedded

 

[Frank Szabo]

Maybe Anomaly is right, there are some benefits to campaign finance.

Is this the return on investment you were speaking of Anomaly?

MAY 2008 Flashback....

Sen. Barack Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption, according to officials from the union and the Obama campaign.

…John Coli, vice president for the Teamsters central region, who brokered the Teamsters endorsement, said Sen. Obama was “pretty definitive that the time had come to start the beginning of the end” of the three-member independent review board that investigates suspect activity in the union. Mr. Coli said that Sen. Obama conveyed that view in a series of phone conversations and meetings with Teamsters officials last year.

…Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor confirmed the candidate’s position in a statement to The Wall Street Journal, saying that Sen. Obama believes that the board “has run its course,” because “organized crime influence in the union has drastically declined.” Mr. Vietor said Sen. Obama took that position last year.

That should be somewhere on the same page as the GOP wanting corporations to be considered people, for politicial donation purposes.

There's not any such thing as a good politician, on either side of the aisle. Someone might get a few favors but for the most part those favors are bought with someone else's money.

The sooner an asteroid takes out Washington DC, the better. Considering the distance from OK to DC, it might even get us in the center of the country but I'll celebrate 'til the shock wave gets here.

 

[TWU informer]

That should be somewhere on the same page as the GOP wanting corporations to be considered people, for politicial donation purposes.

There's not any such thing as a good politician, on either side of the aisle. Someone might get a few favors but for the most part those favors are bought with someone else's money.

The sooner an asteroid takes out Washington DC, the better. Considering the distance from OK to DC, it might even get us in the center of the country but I'll celebrate 'til the shock wave gets here.

Please do not turn this thread into another politcal Democrat vs. Republican diatribe. I agree with you Frank.

the purpose of my post was to bring to light the corruption within the Teamsters and not a political arguement taking sides there.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I am not telling you why YOU should favor anybody. I simply explained time and time again that I do not have the same scorn for the IBT. I am not here to change minds and opinions, I am simply stating the experiences as I have encountered them.

You are looking to have a debate with a Teamster Organizer or International Rep. I am not that guy.

At UAL we are now Teamsters. I am comfortable with that. I am not trying to sell a product or influence any body. I am simply stating that in my personal opinion, I feel better about being in the Teamsters than the other two Unions I have been in.

If you are not trying to sell a product or influence anybody and you are just stating that in your personal opinion (from behind an alais no less) then why are you still posting? You came and said your piece. Continuing to post your opinion is trying to sell a product and influence people.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I know very little about the SAMC group or agreement. Do they have a contract? What does their contract say about seniority? When was the contract put in to effect? For the matter, when did the SAMC control group organize and who represented them before? For chucks and giggles, I asked some of the other mechanics at work about this group, including our Steward. Nobody knew anything about this, or the LOA you are describing. I am not doubting or denying your comments, it is just unknown to us on the floor.

You'll forgive me if I have a difficult time taking you seriously.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I was under the impression that you worked in SFO with previous experience at a large line station, and as such I find it extremely hard to believe you know nothing about SAMC. As a line mechanic you would've had to deal with them on a near daily basis, and as a professed ibt organizer you could not have been oblivious to their organizational history.

That said, if you're truly in the dark, and your steward has no answers, ask your Chief Steward I'm confident they will provide you with the information you're looking for.

 

[Anomaly]

Your support for any union does not bother me. The only reason I did strt to post in the AA forums was to correct all the lies and political BS that any one would twist up to make AMFA look bad. Like when you say open nego gives the co. a better advantage. WRONG! Deals done behind closed doors is much more favorable to the co. Period...

Again we disagree. I contend that open negotiations are not as productive as private sessions.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Please do not turn this thread into another politcal Democrat vs. Republican diatribe. I agree with you Frank.

the purpose of my post was to bring to light the corruption within the Teamsters and not a political arguement taking sides there.

No intent of doing so - 'nuf said.

 

[Anomaly]

You'll forgive me if I have a difficult time taking you seriously.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I was under the impression that you worked in SFO with previous experience at a large line station, and as such I find it extremely hard to believe you know nothing about SAMC. As a line mechanic you would've had to deal with them on a near daily basis, and as a professed ibt organizer you could not have been oblivious to their organizational history.

That said, if you're truly in the dark, and your steward has no answers, ask your Chief Steward I'm confident they will provide you with the information you're looking for.

In a working application, I deal with them almost daily. I still do not know about them regarding their association or involvement in a labor group. I do not know their contract, or agreements. I am happy that you do. As a former AMFA leader, I would expect you should know this.

 

[Anomaly]

If you are not trying to sell a product or influence anybody and you are just stating that in your personal opinion (from behind an alais no less) then why are you still posting? You came and said your piece. Continuing to post your opinion is trying to sell a product and influence people.

Simple, because each time I "say my piece" I am ridiculed or asked to defend and qualify that statement. Look back. Not a single one of my posts has gone unbashed. Your friends have picked apart each and every line of every post.

 

[Anomaly]

Seriously?

I'm not asking you to admit your beliefs are wrong, I was just curious to find out if you had enough integrity to acknowledge that members have in fact been hurt under the system you believe in.

You are confusing the two. What REAL proof do you have for either opinion? Can you definitively PROVE that one is better than the other? I am not talking on opinion based on a few examples, show me real proof? Show me case study, show me data taken on specific examples. Show me any thing other than your opinion and rhetoric distributed through your association? If I deny that, then perhaps you can attack my integrity.

 

[TWU informer]

Simple, because each time I "say my piece" I am ridiculed or asked to defend and qualify that statement. Look back. Not a single one of my posts has gone unbashed. Your friends have picked apart each and every line of every post.

You started the bashing against AMFA in your first post here and now you are the victim. Are you for real?

You are your own worst enemy as far as your integtriy goes.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Simple, because each time I "say my piece" I am ridiculed or asked to defend and qualify that statement. Look back. Not a single one of my posts has gone unbashed. Your friends have picked apart each and every line of every post.

So you have said your piece 74+ times. Perhaps you enjoy giving your opinion that consists of trying to convince my friends that we are wrong in wanting an craft, democratic union where everyone is elected and held accountable.

Okay, you believe the teamsters are better than the twu. I get that by the simple omission of your 74+ posts not saying the twu is better than the teamsters.

Okay, you don't think AMTs should belong/join AMFA because they are a craft, democratic union where everyone is elected and held accountable.

Yet when you post you are trying to defend the undefendable and in turn are actually trying to influence people.

You are not an AA AMT. You hide behind an alias defending an organization that is practically a mirror image of the twu.

At least you haven't stated that the AMFA is a "raiding" union like cio, hss and other twu braindead tools have in the past. Because that would be wrong.

By the way, would you consider the teamsters presence here at AA as a raiding union? What I find very funny is that NOT ONE twu represented official has publically stated that the teamsters are raiding. But perhaps we should just give cio and hss a little bit more time to think about that one.