A.M.F.A. support at the line stations?

[TWU informer]

We all have seen guys like you. AMFA went down in flames here at UAL, but they had a little help with the implosion. This guy, and/or people like him created so much chaos from within, there was no way the Union ever had a chance. In part, this is one of the major problems with AMFA. There are simply no safeguards against people who have their own self serving interests in mind. Another reason to do your homework on the association.

I find it interesting but not surprising you are now slamming the Teamsters. Those who find un-repairable fault with every Union can only be interested in one objective. NO UNION. I ask again, What are your true motives??

Whoop There It Is....

The infamous ideology that we need the undemocratic industrial union to save us from ourselves.

What a crock of feces.
My bet is the chaos from within was coming from IAM supporters that could not accept the outcome of a democratic vote by the NMB. Along with men like you banging your drum for the sidelines egging them on.

AMFA Constiution Provides for..

Recall of Officers
Direct Election of Officers
Voting on side letters of agreement.

And the ibt appointed shill claims there are no safeguards against self serving interest.

Really?

In addition to the list of investment retruns we have received from millions in campaign contributions, now provide a list of specific safegurds against self serving interest the ibt has in place. With references please.

 

[AA89]

Are you a member in the IBT? If so, how did you manage to get out of all those annoying phone calls during the Hoffa Campaign?

There was also a couple of other Local campaigns that I did not pay much attention too. For a midnight worker, stupid phones ringing all day trying to get me to vote for a General or Local president are truly not the type of things I look forward too. This past year seemed like one giant and constant election. There is plenty of Democracy in the IBT. For me, a little too much.

I am not sure what organization you are referring to. The IBT most definitely holds elections.

Let's see. This thread titled "AMFA support at the line stations?" In the American Airlines forum and my I.D. Is AA89..............so no I am not a Teamster nor do I care to be.Thankfully I have never gotten a union election related phone call. Maybe that's because the only representatives I have ever been able to vote on have been at my local and they come around at election time. I have no problem with them in particular. It is the international positions that I would like some influence on. I have gotten enough BS in my contract ballots over the years that would fit your definition of annoying.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

anamoly,

"I have been thinking about your last few posts and believe some apologies may be in order. I apologize to the real AMFA supporters. At first I had you figured as an AMFA stool, hoping for a gravy Union job. But the more I think about it the more I think I know who you are."

Can you describe the "gravy union job" within AMFA?

Would this job be anything like the jobs bobby gless or don videtich have in the twu? You know, a job that gives them 3 times what a AMT earns while bobby and don don't have to worry about living under the contracts they help negotiate that are full of concessions?

 

[swamt]

Let's see. This thread titled "AMFA support at the line stations?" In the American Airlines forum and my I.D. Is AA89..............so no I am not a Teamster nor do I care to be.Thankfully I have never gotten a union election related phone call. Maybe that's because the only representatives I have ever been able to vote on have been at my local and they come around at election time. I have no problem with them in particular. It is the international positions that I would like some influence on. I have gotten enough BS in my contract ballots over the years that would fit your definition of annoying.

I hope you guys realize this guy was placed here by the teamsters. The teamsters will break the bank to 1-run a political card drive campaign, and 2- to do any kind of harm to AMFA they can- Just look how they handled the AirTran guys for the integration. teamsters don't really care if they win an election at AA, just as long as AMFA does not prevail. You guys will be screwed (just like UAL) if you vote in teamsters or keep the TWU. Good luck!

 

[Buck]

Anomaly:

. There is plenty of Democracy in the IBT. For me, a little too much.

Are you serious

 

[AA89]

Thanks SWAMT and yeah he obviouly has an agenda. I have always been puzzled as to why AMFA hasn't been able to at least get a vote at AA (not counting the obvious fraud during the last real drive) But if the IBT were able to gain enough cards for an election at AA then I think my head would explode.......

 

[Hackman]

Thanks SWAMT and yeah he obviouly has an agenda. I have always been puzzled as to why AMFA hasn't been able to at least get a vote at AA (not counting the obvious fraud during the last real drive) But if the IBT were able to gain enough cards for an election at AA then I think my head would explode.......

I personally don't know of anyone that will even take a Reamster card in hand if offered, much less take the time to sign one. The AA TWu captives (AMT's) have had a belly full of Industrial/Company unionism, concessions since 1983, and the worst concessionary agreement in history....2003. The Reamster clowns that appeared might as well load up their Big 18 Wheeler and hit the highway, they're not going to save the worthless TWu this time if that's the Reamster's plan. No AMT in their right mind would want another unaccountable....unelected International "leadership" who answers only to themselves while riding a high on a 6 figure salary for doing nothing but selling out.

AMFA is the only choice. The cards are flying....and a NMB filing will happen in the near future.

 

[TWU informer]

Thanks SWAMT and yeah he obviouly has an agenda. I have always been puzzled as to why AMFA hasn't been able to at least get a vote at AA (not counting the obvious fraud during the last real drive) But if the IBT were able to gain enough cards for an election at AA then I think my head would explode.......

I dont think the Teamsters intend on filing for any election period.
That is not the reason they appeared.
Think About it.

 

[aapitbull]

I dont think the Teamsters intend on filing for any election period.
That is not the reason they appeared.
Think About it.

While you and I agree that the IBT is just here to run interference for the twu what I find funny is all those who have been represented by them say they are underhanded enough to stab their alliance partners in the back. What does that really say about the IBT I mean if they would do that to a fellow union that they work closely with what would they do to us when our backs are turned?

I think Anomaly said they work well together, Then pray tell why is the IBT in Tulsa.

 

[Anomaly]

Whoop There It Is....

The infamous ideology that we need the undemocratic industrial union to save us from ourselves.

What a crock of feces.
My bet is the chaos from within was coming from IAM supporters that could not accept the outcome of a democratic vote by the NMB. Along with men like you banging your drum for the sidelines egging them on.

AMFA Constiution Provides for..

Recall of Officers
Direct Election of Officers
Voting on side letters of agreement.

And the ibt appointed shill claims there are no safeguards against self serving interest.

Really?

In addition to the list of investment retruns we have received from millions in campaign contributions, now provide a list of specific safegurds against self serving interest the ibt has in place. With references please.

It always seems to be people like you who have read the pipe dream (er, AMFA Constitution) who believe their own ideology. You argue it by preaching it. What?

You argue my posts with an "I wasn't there but I read the book" mentality. Since you were not there, nor have you been under an AMFA contract, the chaos was not with the former IAM leaders or anybody with outside interests. Most former leaders quit the company or dissolved quietly back in to the mechanic ranks. The chaos was with the elected AMFA leadership in our Locals. The meetings were ridicules, unorganized, and chaotic themselves. They were too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the company sneaking away with our jobs. It was almost comical.

There was a constant power struggle once UAL came on board. Those other established Locals who were so eager to have us join their ranks now saw us as a threat to power. The power struggles between the airlines was frustrating, yet it paled in comparison to the fights between our stations. Every major station on the west coast was competing for power grabs. SFO, DEN, SEA, LAX, they all wanted to say they were the ones in control, and fought each other to get there. Beyond that, we had skirmishes between the East and West coast Locals too. It was like the animals got out and were running the zoo.

Elections? there were none. You cant recall a rep from another station and nobody wanted to recall their own. It was insane. Nothing was getting done and more of our work went out the door. To prove power, one group of "leaders" decided on their own to completely wipe out a contract LOA 74-1M which allowed furlough mechanics to bump to the same classification. There was no vote for that. The members were informed after the deed had been done. It was legal because the contract said that either party could terminate the agreement at any time by mutual agreement, but WTF? They did not even tell us? That was my last straw and the day I was convinced they would be the end of all of us. When the Teamsters finally showed, I was relieved to sign a card and join them.

There were some votes. We voted on special dues collections in order to pay arbitration costs for other airlines. We voted on picnics. We voted on the little things to make us feel better. But when it counted, we were not allowed a voice. Kinda made us feel what NW mechanics felt like when they went on strike with no ability to see the last best and final.

I know this frightens you, but like I said before, sometimes the truth is a scary thing.

 

[TWU informer]

It always seems to be people like you who have read the pipe dream (er, AMFA Constitution) who believe their own ideology. You argue it by preaching it. What?

You argue my posts with an "I wasn't there but I read the book" mentality. Since you were not there, nor have you been under an AMFA contract, the chaos was not with the former IAM leaders or anybody with outside interests. Most former leaders quit the company or dissolved quietly back in to the mechanic ranks. The chaos was with the elected AMFA leadership in our Locals. The meetings were ridicules, unorganized, and chaotic themselves. They were too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the company sneaking away with our jobs. It was almost comical.

There was a constant power struggle once UAL came on board. Those other established Locals who were so eager to have us join their ranks now saw us as a threat to power. The power struggles between the airlines was frustrating, yet it paled in comparison to the fights between our stations. Every major station on the west coast was competing for power grabs. SFO, DEN, SEA, LAX, they all wanted to say they were the ones in control, and fought each other to get there. Beyond that, we had skirmishes between the East and West coast Locals too. It was like the animals got out and were running the zoo.

Elections? there were none. You cant recall a rep from another station and nobody wanted to recall their own. It was insane. Nothing was getting done and more of our work went out the door. To prove power, one group of "leaders" decided on their own to completely wipe out a contract LOA 74-1M which allowed furlough mechanics to bump to the same classification. There was no vote for that. The members were informed after the deed had been done. It was legal because the contract said that either party could terminate the agreement at any time by mutual agreement, but WTF? They did not even tell us? That was my last straw and the day I was convinced they would be the end of all of us. When the Teamsters finally showed, I was relieved to sign a card and join them.

There were some votes. We voted on special dues collections in order to pay arbitration costs for other airlines. We voted on picnics. We voted on the little things to make us feel better. But when it counted, we were not allowed a voice. Kinda made us feel what NW mechanics felt like when they went on strike with no ability to see the last best and final.

I know this frightens you, but like I said before, sometimes the truth is a scary thing.

Did you get an attorney and file a lawsuit?
The Consitution is the governing contract between the membership and the leadership.
It is enforceable in the justice system. If it was violated then there would be punishment.

If you failed to enforce, then blame yourself and all the other falsehoods breathing zealots you run with.

That is even assuming that I believe a damn thing you will tell me now or later while hiding behind an alias and operating a farce from the start of a campaign.

 

[aapitbull]

It always seems to be people like you who have read the pipe dream (er, AMFA Constitution) who believe their own ideology. You argue it by preaching it. What?

You argue my posts with an "I wasn't there but I read the book" mentality. Since you were not there, nor have you been under an AMFA contract, the chaos was not with the former IAM leaders or anybody with outside interests. Most former leaders quit the company or dissolved quietly back in to the mechanic ranks. The chaos was with the elected AMFA leadership in our Locals. The meetings were ridicules, unorganized, and chaotic themselves. They were too busy fighting each other to pay attention to the company sneaking away with our jobs. It was almost comical.

There was a constant power struggle once UAL came on board. Those other established Locals who were so eager to have us join their ranks now saw us as a threat to power. The power struggles between the airlines was frustrating, yet it paled in comparison to the fights between our stations. Every major station on the west coast was competing for power grabs. SFO, DEN, SEA, LAX, they all wanted to say they were the ones in control, and fought each other to get there. Beyond that, we had skirmishes between the East and West coast Locals too. It was like the animals got out and were running the zoo.

Elections? there were none. You cant recall a rep from another station and nobody wanted to recall their own. It was insane. Nothing was getting done and more of our work went out the door. To prove power, one group of "leaders" decided on their own to completely wipe out a contract LOA 74-1M which allowed furlough mechanics to bump to the same classification. There was no vote for that. The members were informed after the deed had been done. It was legal because the contract said that either party could terminate the agreement at any time by mutual agreement, but WTF? They did not even tell us? That was my last straw and the day I was convinced they would be the end of all of us. When the Teamsters finally showed, I was relieved to sign a card and join them.

There were some votes. We voted on special dues collections in order to pay arbitration costs for other airlines. We voted on picnics. We voted on the little things to make us feel better. But when it counted, we were not allowed a voice. Kinda made us feel what NW mechanics felt like when they went on strike with no ability to see the last best and final.

I know this frightens you, but like I said before, sometimes the truth is a scary thing.

ItI is interesting how you keep saying things frighten us, even if it was all true it is pale on comparision to life under the twu where the Intl lies and puts out half truths and gives away the farm everytime our back is turned, all the while raiseing their own pay and benefits. You like to say we do not know what AMFA is like well you have no idea what it is like to lead the industry down the path of destruction by giving away pay and benefits in the name of saving jobs that soon follow the pay and benefits out the door. Hell the contract the Judge fored down the IAM's throat at US Airways has ours beat hands down and we never wenyt BK their own lawyer said in open court our contract is dead last by just about any metric you want to use in the industry.

Now the great and powerful IBT {OZ} as decided after years of refusals to come in and organize,now they are here to be our savior and you their spokes person sign up on the forum and tell us the error of our ways. Really, Really you think we cannot see thru this charade please do us all a favor and leave town, nothing good can come of you being here, the only possible outome will be the twu stays in power and believe me you do not want that. Hell come back and try and raid amfa if you like in the future but stay out of the way right now for both of our sakes.

 

[Anomaly]

Did you get an attorney and file a lawsuit?
The Consitution is the governing contract between the membership and the leadership.
It is enforceable in the justice system. If it was violated then there would be punishment.

If you failed to enforce, then blame yourself and all the other falsehoods breathing zealots you run with.

That is even assuming that I believe a damn thing you will tell me now or later while hiding behind an alias and operating a farce from the start of a campaign.

This speaketh the Lawyer/Mechanic.

Sure thing pal. That's what I want to do in my spare time with my extra pocket change. Hire an attorney and file a suit against an unenforceable constitution. First thing they would do, just after I paid the bill, would be to send me to the DOL to file a complaint and possible DFR. But that is neither here nor there in your world of make believe. Keep talking to them Who's down in Whoville......lol

 

[TWU informer]

This speaketh the Lawyer/Mechanic.

Sure thing pal. That's what I want to do in my spare time with my extra pocket change. Hire an attorney and file a suit against an unenforceable constitution. First thing they would do, just after I paid the bill, would be to send me to the DOL to file a complaint and possible DFR. But that is neither here nor there in your world of make believe. Keep talking to them Who's down in Whoville......lol

If you knew a damn thing besides fear and smear you would know that by federal law every constitution is enforceable. I think you are nothing more than a common liar.

Of course it would be much easier to not try an enforce it, and then complain about how it never fit your personal needs.

You will soon learn more than you ever wanted to know about the way things are here at AA with the TWU. You better get some free sports tickets, or some free popcorn and sodas if you really want to solicit the type of help that supports your kind. You might even try some free minners and ammo. Then you will appeal to the crowd that will follow you.

And once you learn, if you still remain in the bail out charade, you will be exposed as a true and blue industrial union zealot that could really care less about the profession.

Enjoy yourself here.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Why is the list of members and guests no longer available at the bottom of these pages?
These people are the reason that members like anomaly join in the early stages of a campaign.. Try all you want but most know the TWU and other industrial unions are one in the same.. AMFA is the only answer for us!!