A contract for US FAs must be completed prior to any new merger deal.

[767one]

Indeed brother

I think I'll put that on my "bucket list". One trip to CP office in 39 years!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

To all the No voters - now that you've voted NO to a raise, NO to better rigs and NO to some of the best scope in the industry, why can't you fill out a simple survey to explain why you voted NO?

At the PHL roadshow the NEW JNC claims that ONLY 20% have chosen to voice thier opinions on what needs to be changed.

Fill your survey out NOW because we become irrelevant by June 6th.

Hello morons, it's time you take responsibility for your actions or do you choose to bargain from TWO bk contracts?

You voted NO so step up to the plate and explain why, if you can.

For the West NO voters - you really shot yourself in the foot.
NO SCOPE and stuck between DFW & LAX. It's a good thing you're able to hang on to STD for a couple of years and pass on a $7 raise.
Oh and remember to fill out your survey wanting to keep the pilots on AA's J/S.

Good Job!

See you in DFW or not!

 

[ggiby]

Only one raise....... for the duration of the contract. A 3 percent if and when prefbid is implemented. Took out provisions in the east scope clause. Lost vacation accrual..... lost sick leave ....... Was that one little raise worth it? Its obvious that 75 percent felt the same. So you have what you have because 75 percent wants better. But yes....... PEOPLE fill out the survey.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Only one raise....... for the duration of the contract. A 3 percent if and when prefbid is implemented. Took out provisions in the east scope clause. Lost vacation accrual..... lost sick leave ....... Was that one little raise worth it? Its obvious that 75 percent felt the same. So you have what you have because 75 percent wants better. But yes....... PEOPLE fill out the survey.

Vesus what? The AA term sheet or opening everything and getting parked.

Great job on lowering the bar.

You voted NO so fill out the survey and see if what you wish for is what you get. It's obvious that when the tweeked T/A comes out you'll vote that down to.

You know what they say, "You can't fix stupid" or misinformed ingnoramus.

If you're responsible for feeding this tripe to 75% of the members
you deserve the credit when 100% get a worse contract... say a couple of years from now.

You're going to own this.

 

[BungeeJumper]

Only one raise....... for the duration of the contract. A 3 percent if and when prefbid is implemented. Took out provisions in the east scope clause. Lost vacation accrual..... lost sick leave ....... Was that one little raise worth it? Its obvious that 75 percent felt the same. So you have what you have because 75 percent wants better. But yes....... PEOPLE fill out the survey.

Wow, so much misinformation in that post. I can't, in good conscience, leave this misinformation posted without correction. Not sure where the TA is posted on the AFAUSAirways site, but I found it on the AFA66 site at http://www.afa66.org/TA.pdf
1) Raises: There were 4 raises in the TA. Assuming we're talking about an East F/A topped out with 15+ years of service, that would go from current east rate of $41.51 to Date of Signing (DOS) $46.00, DOS+18 months $46.46, DOS+36 months $47.16, and DOS+54 months $48.00
2) 3% if/when prefbid is implemented is completely incorrect. Compensation was not dependent upon PBS: Work rule changes were dependent upon PBS. Increases started at Date of Signing.
3) Scope provisions: According to http://afl.salsalabs.com/o/4042/c/663/t/0/blastContent.jsp?email_blast_KEY=76527 the East scope was retained, and improved.
4) Lost vacation accrual: Vacation max went from 31 days at 18 years to 35 days at 26 years (years 18-35 are still 31 days). Although there was a loss in vacation time for the west, it was more than made up in compensation changes (per the union, they even provided excel spreadsheets so F/As could calculate this).
5) Lost sick leave: Current East sick leave was paid up to 60 hours per year at 70% pay (equivalent to 42 paid hours). TA sick leave was 54 hours per year at 100% pay (54 hours of pay is greater than 42 hours of pay). This is summed up on the East Power Point presentation found at: http://afl.salsalabs.com/o/4042/c/663/t/0/blastContent.jsp?email_blast_KEY=77251

This information is all from the union...and the reference web pages are given if anyone wants to read it. The amount of misinformation spread on social media is frightening. It makes me sad for those who voted without knowledge (yes or no votes). I wish the best for the FA's get to a single contract soon, as challenging as that may be with the AA situation pending.

 

[ggiby]

*Section 9/ C "a A f/a who is available for fifteen or more days in a month will accrue four and one half (4.5) hours of sick leave for such month.

( a concession from our current contract..... we now accrue 5:00 per month)


*Section 9/C _#2 " Sick leave accrual shall be limited to 1,500 hours. "

(again a concession our current sick leave does not let us stop accruing)

Ok as far as raise yes you are right but that is the only one. I have the whole t/a sitting on my lap right now.
$4.49 raise date of signing.... then .46 then . 70 then . 84
for a big whopping total of 6.49 ( Still not making what I was 11 years ago.... )
Apparently 75 % of everyone else agrees.


Some scope Language was retained..... Some Language was taken out.

 

[diamondcutter]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think we can save up to 1500 hrs in our currant contract.

 

[BungeeJumper]

*Section 9/ C "a A f/a who is available for fifteen or more days in a month will accrue four and one half (4.5) hours of sick leave for such month. ( a concession from our current contract..... we now accrue 5:00 per month)

In the current East contract, 5.0 hours sick time accrued per month, worth only 70% pay = 3.5 hours of pay. In the TA it was 4.5 hours accrued, paid at 100% = 4.5 hours of pay. A F/A would actually be getting one more hour of sick pay accrued per month in the TA than in the current contract.

 

[diamondcutter]

*Section 9/ C "a A f/a who is available for fifteen or more days in a month will accrue four and one half (4.5) hours of sick leave for such month.

( a concession from our current contract..... we now accrue 5:00 per month)


*Section 9/C _#2 " Sick leave accrual shall be limited to 1,500 hours. "

(again a concession our current sick leave does not let us stop accruing)

Ok as far as raise yes you are right but that is the only one. I have the whole t/a sitting on my lap right now.
$4.49 raise date of signing.... then .46 then . 70 then . 84
for a big whopping total of 6.49 ( Still not making what I was 11 years ago.... U)
Apparently 75 % of everyone else agrees.


Some scope Language was retained..... Some Language was taken out.

I agree , but this is not the same management as 11 yrs ago. The industry has changed !!! We were offered the 50.00 per hr. , in exchange for no rigs at all. AFA has said the CO. will put no more money into a new t/a it's up to Afa and us how to re slice the pie

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

*Section 9/ C "a A f/a who is available for fifteen or more days in a month will accrue four and one half (4.5) hours of sick leave for such month.

( a concession from our current contract..... we now accrue 5:00 per month)


*Section 9/C _#2 " Sick leave accrual shall be limited to 1,500 hours. "

(again a concession our current sick leave does not let us stop accruing)

Ok as far as raise yes you are right but that is the only one. I have the whole t/a sitting on my lap right now.
$4.49 raise date of signing.... then .46 then . 70 then . 84
for a big whopping total of 6.49 ( Still not making what I was 11 years ago.... )
Apparently 75 % of everyone else agrees.


Some scope Language was retained..... Some Language was taken out.

This is a perfect example of "having the T/A in front of me" but being unable to read.

Shows how much thought was put into a NO vote.

Lowering the bar is going to be your fault.

 

[diamondcutter]

This is a perfect example of "having the T/A in front of me" but being unable to read.

Shows how much thought was put into a NO vote.

Lowering the bar is going to be your fault.

Great post so true!!!!

 

[ggiby]

I can read just fine. I am so sorry that you are so very angry.... you are in the major minority... I hate that for you.... So if you don't like it QUIT... You were out voted ..... again so sorry.... The current contract is just fine for now. I am sorry that you love to drink the coolaide... I don't drink it....

Cheers...
I am done here

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I can read just fine. I am so sorry that you are so very angry.... you are in the major minority... I hate that for you.... So if you don't like it QUIT... You were out voted ..... again so sorry.... The current contract is just fine for now. I am sorry that you love to drink the coolaide... I don't drink it....

Cheers...
I am done here

It's a shame that you come here with a wealth of misinformation but when you are called on it you are "done here".

Your posts eptimize the misinformed "can't see the forest from the trees". mentality that dominated.

You are lowering the bar with the willfull misinformation that you spread.

So what are you going to do now?

Just wait and take what the AA union gives you?

You are giving our money away so the company can spend it on AA.

Smart move - not.

This is your fault.

Keep drinking your brand of KoolAAid. Lots of it.

Your going to need it.

 

[ggiby]

My fault???? LOL I am one person.... out of 70 percent that feel the same way! LOL My fault ok! Blame me one person! Like I said ... you are in the minority.... ! I don't drink cool aide.... You have no control over what happens with AA. Even if you had your crappy t/a... you are still in the same position in the end. A contract will have to be ratified w/ AA. The only People that have to worry is the West f/a's
IMHO.... Scope provisions are not really there for them. I am not worried.... so take a chill pill and relax. You can vent here all you would like. Oh and OK you can blame me.... On sole f/a who voted no.... along with 70 percent more.


PS.... fill out your survey..... You can vent there too.... because the union wants your opinion...

Post your anger there....

https://ww.ballotpoint.com/AFASurvey/

if you need a new pin call AFA membership @1800-424-2401 press 1 then ext 706 m-f 9;30AM-5:30pm est

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

...you are still in the same position in the end. A contract will have to be ratified w/ AA.

Your solution is let APFA decide for us?

Your already drunk on KoolAAide.

Thanks for lowering the bar and that is your fault.

Survey already filled out. How about the legions of NO voters taking the time to enunciate their views. Oh...only 20% so far have them submitted.

Sorry, one more thing. If the 70% were as clueless as you have demonstrated on this board that would explain alot.

Raise your glass with more KoolAAide!

Love your hair...