A contract for US FAs must be completed prior to any new merger deal.
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Oh and...http://afl.salsalabs.com/o/4042/c/1446/t/0/blastContent.jsp?email_blast_KEY=88248
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lol,lol,lol!
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The current contract is just fine????
Who's Koolaid have you been drinking?
And how dare you postulate that someone should quit their job.
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Oh yes, the koolaid is flowing.
APFA totally trashed the TWA f/a's and I can't forget this. It was one of those things that made me cry. What they did was so vicious and unethical it makes me want to vomit.
And I can't believe my people want to get in bed with them so readily.
Whatnow?
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Umm NO.....the current contract is not fine for now....It's a 30% concessionary reduction in overall pay back to a Company that has not been in BK in years....we are funding rising oil prices, mergers, etc. I'm done throwing money into the air to a Company that no longer needs it.....insane remark, we are one of the lowest paid in the Industry. Outvoted indeed....but not outwitted. B)
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From yesterdays eline:
"This has to be about our contract first because if we do nothing we are allowing management to move forward with a new merger without providing the improvements we are sorely due for the last merger. We cannot allow management to create a situation where there could be a three tiered pay scale, with US Airways Flight Attendants making thousands of dollars less until an agreement can be reached or an arbitrator decides our future for us. We have an opportunity to reach an agreement with protections and improvements now that put us in a stronger position for a combined contract with American Airlines.
Management has already made plans for our future and those plans do not include East co-pairing with pilots or maintaining the current West vacation schedule. These are the cold, hard facts. And, the US Airways pilots are already negotiating their future with American pilots because they don’t have the same opportunity we have to reach an agreement today. But, we do have an opportunity here. We can get the value we bring to the table in each contract and make the most out of it. Management was counting on us letting this pass us by, but we’ve made it clear to them that is not about to happen and they can’t simply leave their current employees in the dust."
Better start pounding that stupefying NO koolAAide.
Your going to need it.
"This has to be about our contract first because if we do nothing we are allowing management to move forward with a new merger without providing the improvements we are sorely due for the last merger. We cannot allow management to create a situation where there could be a three tiered pay scale, with US Airways Flight Attendants making thousands of dollars less until an agreement can be reached or an arbitrator decides our future for us. We have an opportunity to reach an agreement with protections and improvements now that put us in a stronger position for a combined contract with American Airlines.
Management has already made plans for our future and those plans do not include East co-pairing with pilots or maintaining the current West vacation schedule. These are the cold, hard facts. And, the US Airways pilots are already negotiating their future with American pilots because they don’t have the same opportunity we have to reach an agreement today. But, we do have an opportunity here. We can get the value we bring to the table in each contract and make the most out of it. Management was counting on us letting this pass us by, but we’ve made it clear to them that is not about to happen and they can’t simply leave their current employees in the dust."
Better start pounding that stupefying NO koolAAide.
Your going to need it.
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So what does this have to do with a TA?
It seems evident you are drinking your own KoolAAide.
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I think that Gibby meant that vis a vis the defunct TA, he/she preferred the incumbent contract, a view I share.
There were waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too many concessions and changes to my quality of life in that TA, and it is egregiously sad that I am better off under this abysmal bankruptcy contract than I would have been under the defeated TA. IMHO, THAT is what defeated the TA. As for second guessing and criticizing the outcome, umm, sort of irrelevant and useless?
I appreciate the sentiment that FAs should fill out the survey. I think that you'll see a lot filled out at the 11th hour, it's a bit unwieldy needing a particular post card and code, when you're on the road and the postcard's at home. Necessary to try to prevent tampering, I am guessing.
For better or worse, I am heartily glad that we are not ensnared in a five year contract with what is currently going on. I am also glad that the incomprehensible-open to interpretation scope language of the TA is not replacing our current scope.
We need improvements, not just money shuffling. The end "big number" is important, it indicates the level of investment into F/As after a long six years of bankruptcy wages. What is also important is what we spend money on, what we take hits on and what CONCESSIONS are. Concessions without compensation are unacceptable. The status quo matters. If the company wants all of the concessions that were in that TA they need to get serious about paying for them. The 75% said loud and clear, "you don't get that for free". Imagine the difference if the wage increases had been $10/ hour. You probably would be sitting in a new contract, but maybe not, remember the WEST had more reasons than anyone to vote for that thing and they saw through it. (Belated major BRAVO guys!)
Fill out the survey. Reserves in particular need to fill it out. Due to incorrect ideas, which I believe originated on this very board, the previous negotiating committee spent a LOT of time and money towards a reserve system that was completely unacceptable, based on the idea of shifts. Those shifts alone represented resources. The reserves I talked to would prefer another day off and forget the dumb shifts. The shifts would have seriously compromised their ability to go home. Are they the norm? No one is going to know if the survey isn't filled out.
It is also an opportunity to weigh in on what you want if there is a merger. American has a lousy non rev system, no one works at US just because it's a great job. Most of us consider the pass privileges as part of the whole compensation. Considering how 90+% of US f/as commute, it's probably time to put provisions in the contract for non-revving. THAT can really affect your life.
I have a lot of other stuff that I am concerned about, but to each his own. The lousy TA is gone. It's what is next folks, and next starts with the survey.
There were waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too many concessions and changes to my quality of life in that TA, and it is egregiously sad that I am better off under this abysmal bankruptcy contract than I would have been under the defeated TA. IMHO, THAT is what defeated the TA. As for second guessing and criticizing the outcome, umm, sort of irrelevant and useless?
I appreciate the sentiment that FAs should fill out the survey. I think that you'll see a lot filled out at the 11th hour, it's a bit unwieldy needing a particular post card and code, when you're on the road and the postcard's at home. Necessary to try to prevent tampering, I am guessing.
For better or worse, I am heartily glad that we are not ensnared in a five year contract with what is currently going on. I am also glad that the incomprehensible-open to interpretation scope language of the TA is not replacing our current scope.
We need improvements, not just money shuffling. The end "big number" is important, it indicates the level of investment into F/As after a long six years of bankruptcy wages. What is also important is what we spend money on, what we take hits on and what CONCESSIONS are. Concessions without compensation are unacceptable. The status quo matters. If the company wants all of the concessions that were in that TA they need to get serious about paying for them. The 75% said loud and clear, "you don't get that for free". Imagine the difference if the wage increases had been $10/ hour. You probably would be sitting in a new contract, but maybe not, remember the WEST had more reasons than anyone to vote for that thing and they saw through it. (Belated major BRAVO guys!)
Fill out the survey. Reserves in particular need to fill it out. Due to incorrect ideas, which I believe originated on this very board, the previous negotiating committee spent a LOT of time and money towards a reserve system that was completely unacceptable, based on the idea of shifts. Those shifts alone represented resources. The reserves I talked to would prefer another day off and forget the dumb shifts. The shifts would have seriously compromised their ability to go home. Are they the norm? No one is going to know if the survey isn't filled out.
It is also an opportunity to weigh in on what you want if there is a merger. American has a lousy non rev system, no one works at US just because it's a great job. Most of us consider the pass privileges as part of the whole compensation. Considering how 90+% of US f/as commute, it's probably time to put provisions in the contract for non-revving. THAT can really affect your life.
I have a lot of other stuff that I am concerned about, but to each his own. The lousy TA is gone. It's what is next folks, and next starts with the survey.
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From the eline:
" Management was counting on us letting this pass us by,..."
And still is. Wake up!
" Management was counting on us letting this pass us by,..."
And still is. Wake up!
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So what are you going to do if they just re-slice the pie?
$10 raise but no rigs.
You prefer a BANKRUPTCY contract that lowers the bar in any negotiations with APFA over a bridge contract and a better negotiating position.
What are you going to do if the defunct TA is reshuffled into a new TA?
We will see how much the survey changes things.
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The problem is: ggiby showed by their post that they didn't have the correct information about the TA. The 'facts' presented by ggiby were incorrect. These incorrect statements were later corrected by others. That being said, even with the correct information, the TA may still have been voted down..but there's no way to know now.
I don't mean to imply that any significant number of people made uninformed decisions. Obviously, some people did make uninformed decisions because even after the TA was voted down, incorrect information was still being presented as to reasons why people voted it down. Hopefully, if there is a next TA, people will really get to know the TA before voting. Hopefully people will understand the true details of any TA, and go to the Road Shows to get their questions answered rather than relying on unreliable social media. Unfortunately, the company is focusing on the next contract with the AA merger, and that leaves the AFA in a difficult negotiating position since they have little leverage compared to the APFA.
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I'm willing to go there. The NO votes were too shortsighted to think farther than their
KooAAide glasses. Take a long cool drink because you are about to lose control of the process.
Can't wait for the "I didn't vote for that!"
Now that the reality may be sinking in, hopefully cooler heads will prevail instead of the usual rumour mongering. Declare victory and go home.
This is going to be YOUR fault if we stay on a BANKRUPTCY contract going into a merger.
Your going to own this.
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It's a good thing that you are on record for being willing to stay on a BANKRUPTCY contract as a negotiating tactic. Once APFA (thanks 700 lol!) takes over what you think will not matter.
You will own this - all 75%. Enjoy and keep the KoolAAide handy.
Keep reciting the mantra - BANKRUPTCY is good! - take a drink of KoolAAide - BANKRUPTCY is good!
Have one on me.
Your going to need it because you have nooooooooooooothing to offer but a downside.
This will be your fault to.
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