6 Muslin Imams remove from US Airways Flight

[HPearlyretiree]

BTW, one of the Imams will be on the radio today on KFYI (simulcast on line at www.kfyi.com), on the Joe Crummey show starting at 5:00 PM Phoenix time.

One was on earlier today on KTAR and he was very very evasive in his answers, but the host was a weenie and didn't press him on any specifics.

 

[Pragmatic]

The problem with us Americans is that we are too wrapped up in our own world. We automatically trust whatever CNN and FAUX tells us.

I think Americans that travel and try to understand other cultures/religions, are much smarter and better human beings than the rest. I have found them to be much more tolerant.

 

[2BorNot2B]

http://patriotfiles.org/civilizationcalls.htm

 

[wnbubbleboy]

This commentary is from the Washington Times.

Obviously, I think you guys did the right thing, others as well. Don't back down. America is paying attention.



The incident aboard a jetliner of US Airways the other day in Minneapolis is instructive. The details are in some dispute, but what is not is that six imams -- Muslim holy men -- were denied boarding after they created an incident and were briefly detained. Other passengers said the imams made a row with a show of praying, punctuated with shouted slogans about how Allah and Saddam Hussein are great and the United States is not. When an airline clerk denied him boarding one imam shouted: "This prejudice. This is obvious discrimination. No one can argue with this."
But arguing with "this" is exactly what we must do if we bring the Muslims under the fraternal umbrella -- of what, in better times than these, was called "the melting pot." The imams should be told, forcefully, that making an intimidating row of rituals is not the American way and won't be permitted. If a half-dozen Catholic priests insist on conducting a Mass aboard an airliner, they will be told to stop it. Six Baptist preachers won't be allowed to conduct a revival meeting amidst either the cheap or expensive seats. Jewish mohels can't perform circumcisions aboard (even for volunteers). We don't do things like that in America, and no apology is forthcoming.
Pandering, whether by bishops or government officials, invites contempt, not respect. Nevertheless, after a Saudi national was convicted in Colorado of keeping an Indonesian nanny as a family slave and sentenced to life in prison, the State Department dispatched the Colorado attorney general to Riyadh last week to apologize to King Abdullah for American justice and the 14th Amendment.
We're an immigrant nation, a source of national strength and pride. But some among us want to turn e pluribus unum -- "out of many, one" -- inside out. We can't tolerate that, and it's time to say so, loud and clear.


http://www.washtimes.com/national/pruden.htm

 

[2BorNot2B]

Obviously, I think you guys did the right thing, others as well. Don't back down. America is paying attention.

BRAVO! Very nicely written commentary!

 

[Pragmatic]

Piney,

When we go over board with vigilence, it turns into "intolerance". There is a very fine line between the 2 and in this case, it did go over board. We can make all the excuses in the world, but it does not change the fact. And the fact is that someone who did not have any knowledge of muslims and their prayers, they took it as a threat. I am sure that a well-travelled (and I mean outside the US borders) American would have reacted differently.

 

[sharktooth]

This commentary is from the Washington Times.

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Did you know that the WT is owned by Rev. Moon, the cult leader anointed with oil and blessed by republican party leaders in a ceremony on the Congress steps?

Are you certain that anything the Times says is not tainted by a foreign religious influence reflected by an owner, by his own admission, "not of this world"?

Even the checkout stand tabloids have more credibility.

 

[UPNAWAY]

Heard the recap of the radio interview with one of the Imams, he was almost appologetic about thier suspicious behavior and said he would advise fellow Muslims to be more sensative of thier sorundings. But after the interview the host said she believed this was 100% a set up by the Imams. They did "all the wrong" things on purpose. Last minute oneway cash tickets, no lugagge, strange behavior etc. These where not just religious people minding their own business. It certianly was on purpose the only question is what purpose. A financial shakedown (they will seek money), political points etc. They kept making the point even after they where cleared by the feds S wouldn't carry them. This is very common on airlines and pax in some kind of disturbance are not allowed to continue on the carrier. This happens all the time and is not related to them being Muslim or Arab. Also they did admit to refushing to follow the pilots orders, something that would get you and me (and all the Blond hair blue eye types that cluebyfour is is afraid of) charged, arrested and fined!

 

[sharktooth]

Tolerant is one thing, Vigilence is another. We must as a nation be both.

I agree. It is our duty to practice both, together.

For the one thing Islamic tyrants fear more than Allah is the basic concept of freedom and liberty of the individual.

Wherever do you get that? That is quite at odds with Islamic principles. Go to library. Read. Please.

The Declaration of Independence outlines this concept eloquently.

Yes, and so does every major religion.

Did the PIC overreact? Possibly! But what would this thread read like if they had taken the plane down and crashed it into the Metrodome or some other large venue?

Do you not trust the TSA to remove possible means to "take an airplane" down? Are you saying the TSA is not to be trusted?

and, what if they hadn't taken a plane down? Another cry of "Wolf"? How many cries of "Wolf" before we ignore the cries? and that, my friend, is the problem. The conundrum is old enough to be an adage.

Let the few extremists, like Mr. Coulter, make trial runs. Getting all whacked out simply serves the terrorists purposes. Be vigilant and tolerant. It just kills the terrorist. They then have nothing to hang their dialectric on........

 

[Pragmatic]

Now I heard the same interview. It is funny how you interpret the interview. If you don't listen to it with an open mind, you will find your "own excuse" to prove your point. It doesn't change the fact that this whole thing was caused by an ignorant passenger who had no idea about a different religion and a FA who over reacted.

 

[sharktooth]

Also they did admit to refushing to follow the pilots orders,

Please educate the rest of us. This is a new charge, not following pilots orders.

Please post the orders and the actions that would lead one to think they were disregarding "orders".

and, BTW, "refushing", were they drunk, or were you?

 

[sharktooth]

Thomas Jefferson said it best:

"The tree of Liberty must be occassionaly watered by the blood of patriots and tryants"

and that justifies death?

As A Libertarian I would argue that the sole purpose of the Federal Government is to protect you from foriegn invasion. Whether is be Fundamentalist Muslims or the fanatical regimes of the WWII era.

What about that part that references "all enemies, both foreign and domestic"? So, what does you Libers say about thugs that take over government and bend it to their advantage?

Pre 9/11 Clinton failed in that effort....

How? Please inform us specifically.

and post 9/11 Geo Bush Did the same.

No, the moron, despite specific warnings from the Clinton administration, scheduled their first terrorist meeting on 11Sep01, nine months after taking office.

Time and time again our leaders have failed us sending countless young men and women to their graves all in the name of a noble cause. If the causes are indeed so noble then let the political class send its Sons & Daughters into the fray first.

I agree, if you allow that Iraq had nothing to do with 11Sep. and, what is that "noble cause"?

The US Crew had IMO NO CHOICE but to do what they did

The captain really had not choice. The two whack-o FAs did have a choice but ceded it to hysteria, basically forcing the captains hand. I don't blame him and I support him.

I wonder that 'mericans have way too much time on their hands..........

 

[UPNAWAY]

It doesn't change the fact that this whole thing was caused by an ignorant passenger who had no idea about a different religion and a FA who over reacted.


The facts are that they acted very suspecious, the only question is to what end. You are ignorant if you think this was just an innocent bunch of guys being picked on!!!!

 

[Pragmatic]

You are still claiming that they were not innocent even after lengthy interrogation by the authorities proved so. You are ignorant and stubborn and perhaps biased.

 

[UPNAWAY]

You are still claiming that they were not innocent even after lengthy interrogation by the authorities proved so. You are ignorant and stubborn and perhaps biased.

I am saying they purposely caused the reaction they got. Being "released after a lengthy interrogation" means nada!
I am not saying they where on that AC with the purpose of blowing it up but they purposely cuased a scene! How do you not get that?