3 TWU Groups Had Enough

[WeAAsles]

I was going to respond but I'll let you all read the details for yourselves.

 

[swamt]

The money did go to the members in this case.

In what case are you talking about???

 

[Bogey]

The case of local 542

 

[swamt]

Can you pls provide evidence of the case you speak of?

 

[Bogey]

It's what we have been talking bout for 10 pages. The twu accuses local 542 of mis handling money and they suspended the board. I can tell you that all money spent has been on the members and the facts will bear that out.

 

[1AA]

The TWU International is coming up with charges about funds being used inappropriately and so on. Read on previous post that the dispatchers and related went to the TWU and gave them a heads up. The TWU sat back and did nothing. So they filed with the NMB. Now the TWU comes up with a bunch of charges. Like that is going to change their minds about the filing. My take is that the TWU will drop all charges if the dispatchers and related drop their filing of representation with the NMB. This is how the TWU operates. Ignore the little guy until they hit them in the wallet. How sad. I hope the dispatchers and related move on with the filing and vote themselves as far away as possible with the TWU.

 

[swamt]

The TWU International is coming up with charges about funds being used inappropriately and so on. Read on previous post that the dispatchers and related went to the TWU and gave them a heads up. The TWU sat back and did nothing. So they filed with the NMB. Now the TWU comes up with a bunch of charges. Like that is going to change their minds about the filing. My take is that the TWU will drop all charges if the dispatchers and related drop their filing of representation with the NMB. This is how the TWU operates. Ignore the little guy until they hit them in the wallet. How sad. I hope the dispatchers and related move on with the filing and vote themselves as far away as possible with the TWU.

In other words, it's another move by the TWU to save itself from further members being lost.  Typical as we have seen these moves before...

 

[1AA]

In other words, it's another move by the TWU to save itself from further members being lost.  Typical as we have seen these moves before...

I feel that our Tech services guys might be next to defect from the TWU. They have their own agreement separate from the AMT's and Title II guys. They are a small group as well just like the dispatchers, sim techs and flight instructors. If the dispatchers are successful the flood gates will slowly begin to open for the rest of us.

 

[Bogey]

The suspended board of Local 542 all resigned yesterday and have put their support behind the National Association of Airline Professionals (NAAP).

 

[1AA]

The suspended board of Local 542 all resigned yesterday and have put their support behind the National Association of Airline Professionals (NAAP).

Glad to hear that. I guess there is no turning back. Maybe now the TWU might just start paying attention to its members. Na I doubt it , what was I thinking?

 

[Realityck]

They should have responded that day or the next. Got everyone together and started working on a plan to fight it. Just like they did in 2003 when PAFCA raided the dispatchers.

They did absolutely nothing for 10 days. Then the only thing they came up with was they wanted the board to sign a letter of solidarity. Great plan. That will stop em. Not once did someone pick up the phone to call anyone in the local. Not once. No Drummond, no Virella, nobody. It was like they almost want it to happen. And ya know, they haven't done a thing except send a letter to the members full of scare tactics. They also talk about local autonomy in that letter out of one side of their mouth, as they cancel and prevent our negotiations out of the other side.

 
 
 
[SIZE=14pt]We both know the ten days it took the International to react to the decertification effort had nothing to do with this filing.  Plowman has been working on this association for several months. That was the reason for drawing down the Local’s assets by sending 500 dollar gift cards paid by the Local treasury to members, which were distributed about a month ago.  For all his demands for transparency from the International, he did not inform his non - AA sections that he intended to make this gift, much less that he intended to take the AA group out of the TWU. If he had they would have opposed the distribution and insisted on preservation of assets.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=14pt]The USAirways groups are not fooled by any of this. They have no trust in Plowman to protect their interests and will not willingly buy into a format where they are at his mercy.  You have the slightly larger group and you may be able to stuff this new association down the throats of the USAirways membership, just as the USAirways east pilots did to the west. The west pilots resisted USAPA throughout its existence and that is what will happen here.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=14pt]This is exactly the type of inter-work group conflict that USAir management has used to their advantage in the past to save close to a billion dollars in pilot compensation and, what is even more ironic, is that you are even using the same counsel who masterminded that fiasco (and was later fired by its victims) to create this new association.  [/SIZE]

 

[Flying low]

They should have responded that day or the next. Got everyone together and started working on a plan to fight it. Just like they did in 2003 when PAFCA raided the dispatchers.

They did absolutely nothing for 10 days. Then the only thing they came up with was they wanted the board to sign a letter of solidarity. Great plan. That will stop em. Not once did someone pick up the phone to call anyone in the local. Not once. No Drummond, no Virella, nobody. It was like they almost want it to happen. And ya know, they haven't done a thing except send a letter to the members full of scare tactics. They also talk about local autonomy in that letter out of one side of their mouth, as they cancel and prevent our negotiations out of the other side.

 
Maybe the TWU knows it's days are numbered??

 

[Bogey]

We both know the ten days it took the International to react to the decertification effort had nothing to do with this filing.  Plowman has been working on this association for several months. That was the reason for drawing down the Local’s assets by sending 500 dollar gift cards paid by the Local treasury to members, which were distributed about a month ago.  For all his demands for transparency from the International, he did not inform his non - AA sections that he intended to make this gift, much less that he intended to take the AA group out of the TWU. If he had they would have opposed the distribution and insisted on preservation of assets.
 
The USAirways groups are not fooled by any of this. They have no trust in Plowman to protect their interests and will not willingly buy into a format where they are at his mercy.  You have the slightly larger group and you may be able to stuff this new association down the throats of the USAirways membership, just as the USAirways east pilots did to the west. The west pilots resisted USAPA throughout its existence and that is what will happen here.
 
This is exactly the type of inter-work group conflict that USAir management has used to their advantage in the past to save close to a billion dollars in pilot compensation and, what is even more ironic, is that you are even using the same counsel who masterminded that fiasco (and was later fired by its victims) to create this new association.  

542 had 650k in their accounts and there is still plenty left. 3 times what 545 has. Danny is filling your head full of lies and is running scared. That is the TWU way. Fear and bullying. You shouldn't be so angry. Or maybe you should be angry at the international for not letting is negotiate. You are losing out on a lot of money.

 

[Bogey]

Every member of local 542 including Alaska, Horizon, Contineltal, Expressjet and Envoy all got a card. All 600 members. Call around and check. Someone is not telling you the truth.

 

[Bogey]

This is exactly the type of inter-work group conflict that USAir management has used to their advantage in the past to save close to a billion dollars in pilot compensation and, what is even more ironic, is that you are even using the same counsel who masterminded that fiasco (and was later fired by its victims) to create this new association.

I have question Reality Check. Do you see anyone from AA here looking to create hate and discontent? I don't. I only see you doing that. So either you are repeating everything Your president tells you, or you are just an international rep yourself. There is a great calm in my office and it seems the twu has you spinning in turmoil. You talk about Plowman like he has done something to you. Has he? Have you ever met him? Or is your venom only based upon what you hear. You can't say he is not a good representative. He has negotiated 2 better contracts then the one at US. Although you may want to blame him for the twa seniority, it was the AA membership that made a motion and voted to put them to the bottom. That drove the twu policy that will drive the aa/us date of hire merger.

Who is the attorney, I haven't heard his name. How do you know so much about it? Is it the twu scare and bully plan? Try not to let all that get to you. Try to find ways to bring 350 people together and not push them apart. It's not worth it. Maybe you should try to meet your counterparts here in the AA IOC. Hear what they have to say. Try to be positive.