2015 Fleet Service Discussion

[ograc]

Are the represented Teamster members (drivers), at UPS, compensated based on where they live?

 

[NYer]

Did you miss the part where I said I lived in Oklahoma?
 
I don't expect anybody to subsidize me for anything.
 
In my opinion a company should not pay Oklahoma prices for New York labor. From that perspective it is the employees who are subsidizing American Airlines because the they are not payed fair market value for the labor they provide. 
 
 
Yes I am saying that. 
 
That is called fair market value.
 
Even if they make more money we would have a comparable standard of living.
 
 
I have never made that argument. When the company froze the pension I decided it was no longer worth my time to work there. I don't worry about what other companies do, I only worry about if I am satisfied with my current employer.
 
Instead of looking at the arguments about being the lowest paid in the industry you should look at how much buying power YOU have lost in the last 20 years and YOUR declining pay and benefits. You speak of raises but if you adjust it for inflation  American Airlines wages have been sliding backwards for years. Now add increased medical cost and loss of pension to that. The 401K match percentage American Airlines offered you in lieu of pension is a slap in the face. Tell me what good a 401k is when your pay is not only stagnant but sliding backwards.
 
 
Let me ask you this....... do you think you could pay contract workers the same rate of pay in New York as Oklahoma (about 8 to 10 an hour)? I really rather doubt it. That is where your argument falls apart.
 
If you feel that way then New York should pay the same minimum wage as Oklahoma.
 
I mean why should New York businesses have to pay a higher minimum wage just because it is expensive to live there?
 
You see how silly your argument sounds? At least it does to me.

 
Another Conservative in union clothes.

 

[Bob Owens]

so whats to stop a company from shutting down the areas that are high cost and moving the work to lower cost areas?
 
 

Nothing, but the fact is they do continue operations in these high cost areas.
 
Typical that once again you would take the company BS and try and put a Union spin on it. 
 
AA pays more for the hangar at JFK than they pay for the whole base in Tulsa. AA pays more for everything in NY than they do in Tulsa but according to you if they have to pay more for labor, the only thing they get a discount on, they will pack up whats still there and move everything out of the higher cost areas. Are you claiming that even though all the other costs are higher that they keep workers in PHL and NYC because they don't have to pay more for Labor? The fact is AA pays their management in NY more. 
 
Even if they do move work out of places like PHL and NYC to cheaper places who cares? Those two places cant keep people anyway and there is almost a perpetual list of people looking to transfer out of those locations and go to cheaper areas and instead of moving on their own dime in a RIF situation the company pays for it. 

 

[700UW]

It was a question, I am all for GEO pay.  We had it at Piedmont and UA.
 
Stop putting words into my post.
 
And what they pay for facilities at JFK or TUL has NOTHING to do with GEO pay for the workers.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
Another Conservative in union clothes.

Yes I am conservative.
 
I assume by that remark you are implying I am a Republican.
 
What does that have to do with the UNION?
 
I don't know where people get the idea that to be in a UNION is to be a liberal (You can assume by that remark I am implying Democrats). 
 
My expectation of a UNION is to negotiate the best contract they can in my favor and enforce the contract. Simple as that.
 
My expectation is NOT for them to use my dues to fund a political party and their agendas.
 
From my point of view being a member of a UNION is a business transaction. I pay them a fee for a service. It has nothing to do with politics.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

so whats to stop a company from shutting down the areas that are high cost and moving the work to lower cost areas?
 
You evidently didnt study NAFTA and other trade agreements.
 
Try to find a TV, a washer or dryer, a bicycle or sneakers made in America.
 
They sell the TV for a $1000 when they moved the production overseas and lowered their costs, they didnt lower the price of the TV.

Nothing, but the fact is they do continue operations in these high cost areas.
 
Typical that once again you would take the company BS and try and put a Union spin on it. 
 
AA pays more for the hangar at JFK than they pay for the whole base in Tulsa. AA pays more for everything in NY than they do in Tulsa but according to you if they have to pay more for labor, the only thing they get a discount on, they will pack up whats still there and move everything out of the higher cost areas. Are you claiming that even though all the other costs are higher that they keep workers in PHL and NYC because they don't have to pay more for Labor? The fact is AA pays their management in NY more. 
 
Even if they do move work out of places like PHL and NYC to cheaper places who cares? Those two places cant keep people anyway and there is almost a perpetual list of people looking to transfer out of those locations and go to cheaper areas and instead of moving on their own dime in a RIF situation the company pays for it. 

It was a question, I am all for GEO pay.  We had it at Piedmont and UA.
 
Stop putting words into my post.
 
And what they pay for facilities at JFK or TUL has NOTHING to do with GEO pay for the workers.

With the way you flip flop what does it matter?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Try to find a TV, a washer or dryer, a bicycle or sneakers made in America.
 

Appliances

http://www.ge.com/stories-archive/building-appliance-park.html

Bicycles

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101872398

Shoes

http://www.usalovelist.com/american-made-shoes-ultimate-source-list/

Posted from a Chinese made ipad.

 

[NYer]

Yes I am conservative.
 
I assume by that remark you are implying I am a Republican.
 
What does that have to do with the UNION?
 
I don't know where people get the idea that to be in a UNION is to be a liberal (You can assume by that remark I am implying Democrats). 
 
My expectation of a UNION is to negotiate the best contract they can in my favor and enforce the contract. Simple as that.
 
My expectation is NOT for them to use my dues to fund a political party and their agendas.
 
From my point of view being a member of a UNION is a business transaction. I pay them a fee for a service. It has nothing to do with politics.

 
No. no problem at all. You have the right to be what you want. Just an observation.
 
Carry on.

 

[saywhat]

Yes I am conservative.
 
I assume by that remark you are implying I am a Republican.
 
What does that have to do with the UNION?
 
I don't know where people get the idea that to be in a UNION is to be a liberal (You can assume by that remark I am implying Democrats). 
 
My expectation of a UNION is to negotiate the best contract they can in my favor and enforce the contract. Simple as that.
 
My expectation is NOT for them to use my dues to fund a political party and their agendas.
 
From my point of view being a member of a UNION is a business transaction. I pay them a fee for a service. It has nothing to do with politics.

Yes I am conservative.
 
I assume by that remark you are implying I am a Republican.
 
What does that have to do with the UNION?
 
I don't know where people get the idea that to be in a UNION is to be a liberal (You can assume by that remark I am implying Democrats). 
 
My expectation of a UNION is to negotiate the best contract they can in my favor and enforce the contract. Simple as that.
 
My expectation is NOT for them to use my dues to fund a political party and their agendas.
 
From my point of view being a member of a UNION is a business transaction. I pay them a fee for a service. It has nothing to do with politics.

Yes I am conservative.
 
I assume by that remark you are implying I am a Republican.
 
What does that have to do with the UNION?
 
I don't know where people get the idea that to be in a UNION is to be a liberal (You can assume by that remark I am implying Democrats). 
 
My expectation of a UNION is to negotiate the best contract they can in my favor and enforce the contract. Simple as that.
 
My expectation is NOT for them to use my dues to fund a political party and their agendas.
 
From my point of view being a member of a UNION is a business transaction. I pay them a fee for a service. It has nothing to do with politics.

Yes I am conservative.
 
I assume by that remark you are implying I am a Republican.
 
What does that have to do with the UNION?
 
I don't know where people get the idea that to be in a UNION is to be a liberal (You can assume by that remark I am implying Democrats). 
 
My expectation of a UNION is to negotiate the best contract they can in my favor and enforce the contract. Simple as that.
 

My expectation is NOT for them to use my dues to fund a political party and their agendas.
 
From my point of view being a member of a UNION is a business transaction. I pay them a fee for a service. It has nothing to do with politics.

Your dues don't fund any political party, COPE for TWU and MNPL for IAM goes to friendly labor politicians COPE and MNPL are paid by employees who sign up to pay extra.

 

[Zom JFK]

Yeah I remember when I tried to stop my COPE deductions. The twu gave me such a runaround. In the end I had to call and tell payroll to stop paying them. What a waste COPE is.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Your dues don't fund any political party, COPE for TWU and MNPL for IAM goes to friendly labor politicians COPE and MNPL are paid by employees who sign up to pay extra.

Just keep telling yourself that.

 

[700UW]

You do realize its against the law to use dues money to give a candidate or a party?
 
Every single penny a union spends is public record.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You do realize its against the law to use dues money to give a candidate or a party?
 
Every single penny a union spends is public record.

As usual you don't know what the hell your talking about. 
 
https://www.unionfacts.com/article/political-money/
 
Here. They dumb it down enough that even YOU can understand it.

 

[WeAAsles]

"To grasp what needs to be changed, it is necessary to review the thirty years of policy that got the United States to where we are. But in the area of labor market regulation, we really need to go back further, to give the background of a time when we had a high wage national labor market policy. Between the passage of Section 7 of the National Recovery Act in 1933 and the passage of the Taft-Hartley Act in 1948, it was pretty clearly the policy of the United States government to foster unionization in the private sector. This policy found its clearest expression in the preamble to the National Labor Relations Act, but its most powerful political expression in the actions taken by the War Labor Board. Here is the War Labor Board in action. This man was the CEO of Montgomery Ward, the Wal-Mart of its day."

http://www.irle.berkeley.edu/events/spring08/feller/

 

 

[700UW]

They cannot give dues money to a candidate or a party.

They can use it for voter education and get out to vote is soft money.

You are clueless.