2015 Fleet Service Discussion

[robbedagain]

let em come to our city and they'll be in for 1 hell of rude awakening when they see 7 agents to handle multiple flights  no breaks in between.   in fact some folks think AA and US seem to be having a contest to see which metal shows up first   the down side to it...  one plane sits for a gate..
tonite an emb 175 waited 32 minutes to be parked   and B6 was right behind him followed by a "baby jet" the crj 200  and to top it off the 725p clt flight had to wait to be pushed back....   amazin    and our phx flight at 505 took a 17 min delay....  

 

[Jester]

Sadly I feel its going to be the other way around. Doug and gang sent Dale Salsbury to the ORD ramp to try and implement the PHX way of things being done...doubt it will work.

 
Oh yeah, I remember saying at the time as Management was "trading" managers from AA locations into PHX and Dale Salsbury was sent packing to an AA station that we got the better of that deal... not even knowing who we were getting as a replacement.
 
I also recall a few AA guys in here stating that if Management tried to institute its America West mentality on an AA hub there would be problems as the TWU wouldn't allow working short to occur... so what happened?  Did Salsbury change or the TWU cowered?  I ask because I know in PHX, the IAM has been slow to react to short staffing, even on flights with a large amount of cargo.

 

[bob@las-AA]

The company has a responsibility to their stockholders to control costs. (And is required by Law to make a profit) This includes labor costs. You want to place blame fine, place blame where it is due. You have a UNION that has basically told the American Airlines membership that what they want does not matter because THEY own the contract. The other side of the coin is you have a membership that puts up with the TWU. Lastly, and probably the most relevant, you continue to work for less and less money.( Wrong! Wages have risen 19% since 2003 ) And yes, health care cost is up, but it is brought to a National average.  American Airlines knows they can lower your benefits and pay (sometimes by stalling raises (Wrong again) over time and reaping benefits due to inflation (And what benefits would that be? Sorry,....you have no clue of what you are talking about.) and sometimes by just outright making cuts) with little to no consequences. Well heavy maintenance on all those NEW aircraft is not due till another 5-6 years. Do you really expect to keep the highest paid workforce 5-6 year sitting down hatching eggs till the work needs to done? 
 
At the end of the day you choose to keep the TWU (the membership as a whole) and you choose to stay employed by American Airlines (personal choice). You have communicated to American Airlines and the TWU that it is OK to take advantage of you time and time again. They take advantage of you because you told them they could. They take advantage of you because you gave them permission.
 
I hate to be so blunt but the truth is the truth. I love to be blunt, because its the only way I know, you posses no knowledge on the inter-workings of Corporate America, period!  
 
If you are tired of the AA/TWU crap then communicate to them that the choices they make have a consequence. No more free rides.
 
Getting rid of the TWU would be a good start. 
 
A good start of what? A brand new group of uneducated know nothings telling us " Sorry,.... no new info...so.......business as usual  "

The drivel you call a post is as bad as the last letter from our local prez of the TWU513. I will print then and promptly place them in the bottom of my bird cage, where it will be more useful rather than reading them.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

They don't care too much in JFK where the equipment is junk (so much so it's hard to believe its a union shop) and saftey awareness is non existent. And since workman's comp is REQUIRED by law why be in a union if that's all you get when injured? When I hired on in 1991 we used to get 90 days of full pay when injured on duty.

I am not debating with you that American Airlines often creates an unsafe work environment. I am only communicating to you that Workers' Compensation is an insurance policy.
 
Unemployment (except 4 states) and Workers' Compensation are both insurance policies paid by the employer.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The drivel you call a post is as bad as the last letter from our local prez of the TWU513. I will print then and promptly place them in the bottom of my bird cage, where it will be more useful rather than reading them.

 (And is required by Law to make a profit)
Tell that to Amtrak and GM, or better yet tell that to the UNIONS on those properties.
 
Have NewHampshire Black Bears come on here and tell you all about his tax payer subsidized UNION job at Amtrak.....
 
He came on here bragging about how he abused Amtrak customers under the watchful eye of the DoL while his UNION fed him lunch.
 
Not only is Amtrak not making a profit...... the government is enabling it.
 
The government subsidizing payroll for a private enterprise..... RIDICULOUS!!!! 
 
( Wrong! Wages have risen 19% since 2003 ) And yes, health care cost is up, but it is brought to a National average.
First off wages have not kept up with inflation..... not even close. Second you lost pension (frozen or nonexistent depending on tenure) and your healthcare cost, as you have already stated, went up substantially. In what universe is gaining 19% in wages (with a long stall and no back pay) after losing pension and paying more for healthcare beneficial to the employee? Have you considered the possible financial impact to YOU after losing retiree health care?  Man, the TWU propaganda machine really did a mind job on you.
 
American Airlines knows they can lower your benefits and pay (sometimes by stalling raises (Wrong again) over time and reaping benefits due to inflation (And what benefits would that be? Sorry,....you have no clue of what you are talking about.)
Are you denying American Airlines received a benefit from stalling contract negotiations? When you get back pay let me know.
 
 Well heavy maintenance on all those NEW aircraft is not due till another 5-6 years. Do you really expect to keep the highest paid workforce 5-6 year sitting down hatching eggs till the work needs to done? 
Why are you concerning yourself with maintenance when you are working Fleet Service on the line?  There is a reason they are keeping the base staffed to current standards. Why don't you worry about loading aircraft and let HR worry about staffing levels? When AA feels like they can no longer justify the headcount they will lay off, simple as that.
 
I hate to be so blunt but the truth is the truth. I love to be blunt, because its the only way I know, you posses no knowledge on the inter-workings of Corporate America, period!  
You throw bags for a living. I am not saying that to demean you. I was in Fleet for 12 years myself but, your career choice hardly puts you in a position to judge my knowledge of the "inter-workings" of Corporate America.
 
A good start of what? A brand new group of uneducated know nothings telling us " Sorry,.... no new info...so.......business as usual  "
Well then, you won't be any worse off than you are now will you? You certainly won't get anywhere by doing "business as usual" (keeping the TWU after their miserable performance). You might as well try something new because what you have tried for the last 20 years (or longer) is not working.
 
So far you have wowed us all with your limitless knowledge of the "inter-workings" of Corporate America, HR staffing levels, and given us a flawless example of the calculated gains afforded by the TWU contract, 
 
Any other hidden talents you want to unleash on the forum Professor?

 

[Zom JFK]

Wrong! Wages have risen 19% since 2003

Yeah we took a 17% pay cut in 2003. Way to go skip.

 

[Tim Nelson]

 
Oh yeah, I remember saying at the time as Management was "trading" managers from AA locations into PHX and Dale Salsbury was sent packing to an AA station that we got the better of that deal... not even knowing who we were getting as a replacement.
 
I also recall a few AA guys in here stating that if Management tried to institute its America West mentality on an AA hub there would be problems as the TWU wouldn't allow working short to occur... so what happened?  Did Salsbury change or the TWU cowered?  I ask because I know in PHX, the IAM has been slow to react to short staffing, even on flights with a large amount of cargo.

 
I don't believe the phx mentality, if there is such a thing, is happening or will ever happen in ORD.  Some of the newer members come right in with poor work ethic anyways and I couldn't imagine them picking up the pace.
 
I assume the culture is totally different between ORD and PHX.  And it's not anything exclusive to a particular airline in ORD. For probably a combo of reasons, few work unsafe at ORD, and if there was a different model used with no overtime to cover gaps then it would prolly become problematic. Management doesn't seem to be an issue at ORD, neither sUS or sAA, when compared to other stories of management that I hear. DS has been here for a while now and things seem to be fine.
 

 

[bob@las-AA]

Yeah we took a 17% pay cut in 2003. Way to go skip.

well the top out wages in 2003 were $19.65, And according to you, everyone took a 17% pay cut, and by the way you voted yes to a pay cut to save our jobs and airline. Well $19.65 + %17 = $22.99, not including any extra padding. So it seems clear that all of you were restored to post "911", or close to it.

 

[Zom JFK]

As usual, Bob, you make little or no sense. We were at almost $23 an hour before (according to me) we took the pay cuts. So 12 years later you are back to 2003 pay levels. Not really when you consider all the other things we lost. Nowhere near to "post 911". But I guess you hired into an already diminished job so it's all gravy to you. Again way to go skip.
 
PS the "you voted yes to a pay cut to save our jobs and airline" is a joke. AA was under no threat of going under. We gave back 50 years of bargaining because the company ASKED. I voted NO btw.

 

[NYer]

As usual Bob you make little or no sense. We were at allmost $23 an hour before (according to me) we took the pay cuts. So 12 years later you are back to 2003 pay levels. Not really when you consider all the other things we lost. Nowhere near to "post 911". But I guess you hired into a diminished job so its all gravy to you. Again way to go skip.
 
PS the "you voted yes to a pay cut to save our jobs and airline" is a joke. AA was under no threat of going under. We gave back 50 years of bargining because the company ASKED. I voted NO btw.

 
It amazes me how people just fast forward and don't look sideways when they tell their stories. They zoom from 2003 to today and ignore everything in between. It's convenient, but not really a good representative of what happened to everyone in the industry.

 

[Tim Nelson]

 
It amazes me how people just fast forwards and don't look sideways when they tell their stories. They zoom from 2003 to today and ignore everything in between. It's convenient, but not really a good representative of what happened to everyone in the industry.

 
+1
 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

well the top out wages in 2003 were $19.65, And according to you, everyone took a 17% pay cut, and by the way you voted yes to a pay cut to save our jobs and airline. Well $19.65 + %17 = $22.99, not including any extra padding. So it seems clear that all of you were restored to post "911", or close to it.

It is not Bob's fault.
 
He is a victim of a combination of his own stupidity and the AA/TWU propaganda machine. 
 
He is so used to believing what TWU tells him to believe he can't even do basic math.

 

[bob@las-AA]

As usual, Bob, you make little or no sense. We were at almost $23 an hour before (according to me) we took the pay cuts. So 12 years later you are back to 2003 pay levels. Not really when you consider all the other things we lost. Nowhere near to "post 911". But I guess you hired into an already diminished job so it's all gravy to you. Again way to go skip.
 
PS the "you voted yes to a pay cut to save our jobs and airline" is a joke. AA was under no threat of going under. We gave back 50 years of bargaining because the company ASKED. I voted NO btw.

You could say that, but I have never viewed any of you posts till now. so how could you say "As usual", that is a term used for frequent users of this site. According to the restructured contract in 2003 top out pay was $19.65, but as far as a diminished job? not sure what you are trying to get across but, yes with only close to 7 years seniority, yes this is the most gravy job I had ever had. And it look like back in the day all you slugs had it even sweeter, now that reality has hit home and the endless fountain of cash is now spewing vinegar, all you can do is cry "Dump the TWU". Well I can say I'm no fan of the TWU or any Union, after working under one for half of my adult life. New York IBEW Local 83. Big deal you got a pay cut in 2003, Suck it up and adapt, even if it means you have give that lavish lift style from all that misbegotten and fraudulent Over Time most of you have been licking up like little kittens with a plate of milk........"More Milk Please". All of you should be grateful you still have a job!

 

[bob@las-AA]

 

Your next, But for now I will save it for Tuesday 20, 2015

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You could say that, but I have never viewed any of you posts till now. so how could you say "As usual", that is a term used for frequent users of this site. According to the restructured contract in 2003 top out pay was $19.65, but as far as a diminished job? not sure what you are trying to get across but, yes with only close to 7 years seniority, yes this is the most gravy job I had ever had. And it look like back in the day all you slugs had it even sweeter, now that reality has hit home and the endless fountain of cash is now spewing vinegar, all you can do is cry "Dump the TWU". Well I can say I'm no fan of the TWU or any Union, after working under one for half of my adult life. New York IBEW Local 83. Big deal you got a pay cut in 2003, Suck it up and adapt, even if it means you have give that lavish lift style from all that misbegotten and fraudulent Over Time most of you have been licking up like little kittens with a plate of milk........"More Milk Please". All of you should be grateful you still have a job!

I was an electrician (mostly commercial, some residential) before working for American Airlines as well and I can tell you working the line in Tulsa is not what I would call a gravy job.
 
If you consider it easier to work the line with 7 years seniority than running Romex and EMT then you found a good station.