2015 AMT Discussion

[Rogallo]

 
 
I recall sitting in the Hough reading my newspaper waiting for jetbridge to pull back so I can push out the Aircraft and then go to another gate and repeat the process. That certainly requires an AMT License - give me a break

 
Neither does fixing them! I think it's called AMT-O?

 

[700UW]

Any movement of aircraft should be done by AMTs.  Simple as that.

Tug Slugging it is s a waste of money, you don't need an A&P to push a plane.

I would say fleet moves more planes in the industry and then maintenance.

 

[dfw gen]

Tug Slugging it is s a waste of money, you don't need an A&P to push a plane.

I would say fleet moves more planes in the industry and then maintenance.

That was quick, lowering our expectations. Are you sure your not with the twu?

 

[700UW]

If you owned an airline would you pay $40 an hour for someone to push a plane?
 
That is why mechanics got the nickname Tug Slugs.

 

[Overspeed]

700UW,
So you have nothing but contempt for AMT jobs I see. Any time the company gets savings at the expense of AMT jobs you are good with it.
 
So we should expect that the IAM led Association will get us industry leading givebacks at a time of unprecendented profitability, a risky multi-employer pension plan, and a higher level of outsourcing.
 
After experiencing the IAM and Parker leadership I'm thinking we were better off with Horton and the TWU.

 

[700UW]

You couldnt be any more wrong.
 
I dont have any hate nor contempt for AMTs, I have negotiated and represented many of them.
 
I have a dislike for Elitists.
 
And let me ask you once again, why would you pay an AMT to push a plane back, I dont think you are taught that in A&P school.
 
And like I said, more fleet does receipt and dispatch than mechanics in the whole industry.
 
You outsource line at PMAA, US doesnt outsource line, and when will you ever comprehend it took a judge to abrogate our CBA at US for the company to have the right to outsource.
 
And what is greater, 50% of overhaul outsourced or 35% of your maintenance budget?

 

[conehead777]

if I owned a airline I would have amts pushing back the planes and doing break rides.. I would want the licensed mechanic doing what they do best and not some unlicensed person who hasn't been to a and p school are military experience

 

[700UW]

You dont need an A&P to push, park and brake ride, do Pilots have an A&P?
 
And all those cush jobs helped lead to the financial problems.
 
You dont learn to push an airplane at A&P School.

 

[Overspeed]

700UW,
Your words tell otherwise.
 
In my A&P school we did have several aircraft that we used for training that we did push. Why? Because being able to move an aircraft is a requirement for things like after an engine change it is kind of important to push it outside to run and test the installation. Was there a test question on the written or practical? No.
 
As far as it costing more to have an AMT to work a pushback. It would depend on the type of trip. Since all airlines staff ETOPS trips with AMTs to do a check, they are already there working the trip. There is no savings to having fleet push it out since those mechanics are dedicated to that trip. Narrow body domestic trips most airlines do that work on call. Since you are not an AMT you are spouting off on a job task you know little about.
 
The amount of outsourcing (actually work done by AA AMTs) happens because AA has been a true international carrier. Every real international carrier has work done on their aircraft outside their home country. Some use local hires such as AA to do that. Having an aircraft sit for 8 hours or more it only makes sense to fix items on aircraft when you have time. US had about thirty aircraft flying international while AA had over 100 flying on three and four day routings. While I would like to see the work done in Latin AM capped, it's not as bug an issue as you state. A far bigger issue is that the IAM langauge drives 3 fewer jobs per aircraft overall than the current TWU scope clause. That's the equivalent of 2,100 jobs that would have to be cut if we just dropped in the "killer" IAM scope clause and you are pissing and moaning about 150 jobs?
 
The IAM scope allows for 50% MHs outsourced and the TWU scope allows 35% of direct labor, material, and outsourced MX expense to be outsourced. Since we are talking about jobs protected and the latest DOT F41 data states that under the two scope clauses the AA/TWU has more AMTs per aircraft than the US/IAM has AMTs per aircraft the greater job loss and worse scope clause is on the US/IAM side.
 
Maybe the IAM led Association can soften the job loss of implementing their killer scope clause with a buyout.

 

[Overspeed]

Pilots have A&Ps? No pilots have an FAA license and are random drug tested like AMTs. I agree we should have random drug testing for people who are responsible for closing pressurized doors on the aircraft and are partially responsible for the safe dispatch of the aircraft.
 
Will the IAM led Association be advocating for random drug testing of ramp personnel involved with push backs?

 

[1AA]

700UW,
So you have nothing but contempt for AMT jobs I see. Any time the company gets savings at the expense of AMT jobs you are good with it.
 
So we should expect that the IAM led Association will get us industry leading givebacks at a time of unprecendented profitability, a risky multi-employer pension plan, and a higher level of outsourcing.
 
After experiencing the IAM and Parker leadership I'm thinking we were better off with Horton and the TWU.

You see I'm not the only one who thinks 700 hates AMT'S.

 

[Buck]

If you owned an airline would you pay $40 an hour for someone to push a plane?
 
That is why mechanics got the nickname Tug Slugs.

Why do you go there?
 
Ok, Then Fleet is just a bunch of over paid bag smashers and union union bosses are a major drain on the entire process.
 
Get rid of the the union bosses and then the Fleet Service and let AMT's do it all...

 

[MetalMover]

 
 
I recall sitting in the Hough reading my newspaper waiting for jetbridge to pull back so I can push out the Aircraft and then go to another gate and repeat the process. That certainly requires an AMT License - give me a break

So maybe you are not worth the money you are making now.
Maybe the the ASSociation will agree to create a lower paying classification to push planes and hook that water hose up and service those lavs....Tell me how you would like to have YOUR job functions turned over to another IAM/TWU classification like the mechanics have. 

 

[MetalMover]

Tug Slugging it is s a waste of money, you don't need an A&P to push a plane.

I would say fleet moves more planes in the industry and then maintenance.

Must be why other airlines created an even LOWER playing job class called "MOVE CREWS" that pay even less than fleet service. SO before the fleet folks start frothing at the mouth that may take over aircraft moves, all they need to do is look around and see that another classification is doing that work and making even less than them...Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Roadking5560]

Tug Slugging it is s a waste of money, you don't need an A&P to push a plane.

I would say fleet moves more planes in the industry and then maintenance.

"I" would say.  Where did you conduct your survey?  It certainly wasn't ramp side  You aren't even in the industry.  But I suppose you could bring your binoculars and look in from outside the fence.