2015 AMT Discussion

[700UW]

Oh look your lying again.

Never stated that about TAESL.

 

[Buck]

Does the company pay any fees for CLT?

 

[700UW]

I think so.

 

[Overspeed]

700UW,
Go back to your post #37. The discussion was about base jobs (which includes TAESL) and you referred to the loss of AMT jobs as "trimming the fat"ike US had already done. The "superior" IAM representation skills resulted in the "trimming the fat" of AMT jobs at US. You dismissed the loss of AMT jobs as just keeping up with the fat trimming (sic) that US did in BK. So IAM loses AMT jobs and it is just "trimming the fat"? Does that indicate the type of high quality representation we can expect from the IAM negotiation specialists that are leading the Association? We were better off staying with the TWU if people of your mindset are negotiating for us. Want to force us in to a risky muti-employer plan, don't want to try to unfreeze the TWU pension because yours is already frozen, and now want to impose the IAM scope clause that will result in "trimming the fat" like US Airways already did in BK.
 
And you were wrong on the unfreezing of the pension but you won't admit that either.

 

[CMH_GSE]

So should the IAM members get the company to take back over the terminated plan if you get yours unfrozen?
What's fair is fair.

Why would they need it, they already have the sooper dooper IAMNPF?

 

[Buck]

700UW,
Go back to your post #37. The discussion was about base jobs (which includes TAESL) and you referred to the loss of AMT jobs as "trimming the fat"ike US had already done. The "superior" IAM representation skills resulted in the "trimming the fat" of AMT jobs at US. You dismissed the loss of AMT jobs as just keeping up with the fat trimming (sic) that US did in BK. So IAM loses AMT jobs and it is just "trimming the fat"? Does that indicate the type of high quality representation we can expect from the IAM negotiation specialists that are leading the Association? We were better off staying with the TWU if people of your mindset are negotiating for us. Want to force us in to a risky muti-employer plan, don't want to try to unfreeze the TWU pension because yours is already frozen, and now want to impose the IAM scope clause that will result in "trimming the fat" like US Airways already did in BK.
 
And you were wrong on the unfreezing of the pension but you won't admit that either.

Interjection: Yes for my 30+ years at TUL under the TWU OverSpeed is 100% correct. It has been the position of the TWU to keep as many employed as possible. I might have not liked this in it's entirety, but it is factual. 

 

[Birdman]

Interjection: Yes for my 30+ years at TUL under the TWU OverSpeed is 100% correct. It has been the position of the TWU to keep as many employed as possible. I might have not liked this in it's entirety, but it is factual.

You'll also have to admit they would never pass up a concession to make that possible.

 

[Buck]

You'll also have to admit they would never pass up a concession to make that possible.

 
that is also true, as I was not going to open that door, but in the eyes of the TWU
keeping the numbers of the membership high was exchanged
for sub standard compensation when compared to our peers in the industry

 

[Overspeed]

Buck,
I understand your point about swapping jobs for wages. Not an advocate of that strategy either but 700UW is touting how much better the IAM scope clause is but that have neither more jobs or more pay than the TWU did in BK. In fact the IAM/US wages were brought up by the "inferior" TWU contract in their bridge agreement not once but twice. Second time being the wage adjustment language in the TWU contract they also piggybacked on.
 
I am trying to understand where I should set my expectations during this period of declining fuel costs and growing profits.

 

[MetalMover]

Interjection: Yes for my 30+ years at TUL under the TWU OverSpeed is 100% correct. It has been the position of the TWU to keep as many employed as possible. I might have not liked this in it's entirety, but it is factual. 

No argument there. but it has been that position which has made us the lowest compensated along with the best concessions in the industry. And it is because of that position, that the jobs disappeared regardless along with an increase in outsourcing. Now before you blame the economy, let me remind you that the TWU started the concessionary route in 1983 when they more than happy to start shifting mechanic work to line cargo.

 

[Rogallo]

I am trying to understand where I should set my expectations during this period of declining fuel costs and growing profits.

 
My expectations are set low. That way the disappointment won't be so high!

 

[DallasConehead]

 
that is also true, as I was not going to open that door, but in the eyes of the TWU
keeping the numbers of the membership high was exchanged
for sub standard compensation when compared to our peers in the industry

It will be the same this go round as well. Wait and see. Anyone that thinks the twu is going to accept a wholesale reduction in force in the 1000s category is smoking crack.

 

[DallasConehead]

Let me add to my previous thought.  If they let 3K T1 go from the combined list, thats 300k in dues per month, gone. Not gonna happen. Lets look at T2, these guys base pay is more then T1, they have saved twu arse for as long as I can remember from amfa raids, they are untouchable. Whats more how much dues do those guys represent? 300k from T1, 200K from T2/month? No way the union is gonna let that money go.
 
This will be a jobs contract. T1 will pay for it in the form of less pay and benefits then our peers at similar airlines, so AA can maintain the jobs program for T1 and T2.
 
I hate to say it but have to in the words of Gless, everyone going to have to "lower their expectations", this sorry ass union is going to do what this sorry ass union has been doing for 3+ decades.

 

[Realityck]

No argument there. but it has been that position which has made us the lowest compensated along with the best concessions in the industry. And it is because of that position, that the jobs disappeared regardless along with an increase in outsourcing. Now before you blame the economy, let me remind you that the TWU started the concessionary route in 1983 when they more than happy to start shifting mechanic work to line cargo.

 
 
I recall sitting in the Hough reading my newspaper waiting for jetbridge to pull back so I can push out the Aircraft and then go to another gate and repeat the process. That certainly requires an AMT License - give me a break

 

[OldGuy@AA]

 
 
I recall sitting in the Hough reading my newspaper waiting for jetbridge to pull back so I can push out the Aircraft and then go to another gate and repeat the process. That certainly requires an AMT License - give me a break

Any movement of aircraft should be done by AMTs.  Simple as that.