2015 AMT Discussion

[Badwlmson]

Badwlmson
 
Signing any card whether it be amfa or IBT is your choice but to sign either just because someone says too is stupid. That is what lots of guys here at AA did. So don't feel bad.
getting informed after all the AMFA drives and looking at what the TWU has done to us as a craft and class and still supporting them then shame on you. So much info was put out by both the IBT and AMFA supporters here at AA, every one should of known just what was going on. The TWU has traded our families future for small tid bits. The Intl. boys have gotten richer while we suffered under all the bs they agreed too.
 
Unity is something that will NEVER Happen here at AA, the TWU did not stress that it promotes the IGM attitude. It as a union looks out for the groups that they feel will vote in what bs they are selling to insure the dues stay flowing. I have supported AMFA as an organizer  for three reasons. (1). I could sit in on negotiations, (2). No stores/Fleet members, (3). Possibility of removing officers at the Top if they don't perform. The rest of the union bs is just that without support from the membership no union will succeed. As far as being loud and obnoxious some of the organizers may have been because after all that was taken, or voted away, due to the lack of guys not doing their own research reading the fine print just going along the TWU has stayed here and we all have suffered.
 
Most of the negatives that have fallen onto our industry is because of the TWU's failure here at AA. They just roll over supporting the company and its bottom line. It has caused what has happened in the industry to A&P's.
 
Besides trading jobs for money and thus keeping our pension funded for a few yrs more the TWU has taken us back to the stone age. Unions fought hard for holiday pay and holidays off, Vacation, and much more yet we have lost so much more. 
 
If you have something to add to any discussion say it. Sitting on the side lines is the reason we are in this place since so many do that, hare at AA.

And this is the type of constructive dialogue I was referring to early. Thanks for this, I appreciate it. On a side note, I hope to join you in Miami in 2017 after my son graduates so I want o/h AND line maintenance to be strong.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

And this is the type of constructive dialogue I was referring to early. Thanks for this, I appreciate it. On a side note, I hope to join you in Miami in 2017 after my son graduates so I want o/h AND line maintenance to be strong.

 
Shouldn't you be saying I want O/H and the Line to work together?
 
There is so much animosity between the two since the TWU kept O/H taken care of at the expense of the line guys who work in the high cost of living cities. If the TWU hadn't promoted this,  things here at AA might be different.
 
Some of the ideas that were AMFA's were leaning toward the line mechanics but it as a union in MY belief was out to protect our class and craft from what the TWU has done to it.
 
IAM, IBT, TWU are just after dues and these unions are not out to promote us.
 
It wasn't that way at Eastern yrs ago we all stood as ONE, the TWU is a IGM union.
 
No matter who is in charge at the TWU or this Association, we better start to look at what is in the future for the A&P's & other mechanics here at AA. Stop thinking about the now and address the future of our class and craft. 

 

[Badwlmson]

Shouldn't you be saying I want O/H and the Line to work together?
Correct, I mentioned that at the end of my earlier post

Until EVERYONE can come together for a common cause we'll never accomplish what we all want. Everyone wants basically the same thing, yet we still can't agree. The one group that should be sticking together, the mechanics, can't even do that because the twu has allowed a wedge to be driven between line and O/H.if it were me, I'd start by figuring out how to get those 2 groups together. Just my two cents

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Rogallo,
It is not who you want in the Int'l, it is who the membership wants. The AA M&R membership should vote on a resolution of who we want as our ATD rep. While we cannot chose the person since they are appointed, advising Lombardo as to who we want would be different than we have in the past. Now is the time to do that.
 
It's worth a shot and if Lombardo blows us off then we know where he stands and we make choices on what to do next.

 
O/S
 
Lombardo was littles second in command am I correct? he has placed NON maintenance reps into the ATD & what I have seen, it's because maintenance has wanted to remove them.
Which would cost them dues. Why wouldn't he support a vote on this association? he has not even come out and said it was a mistake, it is all about saving the dues.
 
If he blows us OFF  at any point will you support the removal of the TWU as our representing union? If so then which union would you want here? AMFA, IAM, IBT?

 

[Vortilon]

Yes, loud and obnoxious. Here in Tulsa, the only thing amfa supporters want to do is #### about how the twu is screwing me. I don't need anyone to point that out to me, I'm not blind. Tell me what you're going to do differently and how you plan to accomplish it. Mud slinging doesn't impress me any more in union politics than it does in goverment politics. Pointing out the faults of your competitors doesn't prove anything to me. "He sucks so you should vote for me". And giving me a hamburger or hotdog doesn't impress me either, not does it show any greater commitment to a cause or change. Amfa will never be successful out here as long as they continue to use the same tactics for recruitment. Hell, I can remember when they wouldn't have anything to do with the osm's. Or srp's as they were then. That is until the realized they needed their signatures for the card drive to have a chance. I'm sure there are still plenty of those people left that remember that and would never sign a card. So, instead of telling me how bad twu is, tell me how amfa will be better. And as far as the obnoxious teamsters going door to door? They listened to what I had to say. They presented their case on what they could do to improve things then thanked me for my time. Turns out it was all a big attempt to stop amfa, but at least they listened. Like I said in a previous post, we're NEVER gonna have anything different because we'll NEVER stick together. The twu has created that culture out here over the years pitting us against each other and overbearing people like yourself do nothing to help it. The vocal minority such as yourself on an airline forum that only a few people get on and even fewer of us comment will never impact change. Until EVERYONE can come together for a common cause we'll never accomplish what we all want. Everyone wants basically the same thing, yet we still can't agree. The one group that should be sticking together, the mechanics, can't even do that because the twu has allowed a wedge to be driven between line and O/H.if it were me, I'd start by figuring out how to get those 2 groups together. Just my two cents

 
The "paid" Teamster organizers listened to you?  News flash,they are trained to sell a product.  So yeah, they can be real convincing.  No mud slinging here, I just like to remind fence sitters like yourself of shite sandwich the TWU has served up for AA's AMTs over the last 30 years.  Good luck in Miami.

 

[Badwlmson]

The "paid" Teamster organizers listened to you?  News flash,they are trained to sell a product.  So yeah, they can be real convincing.  No mud slinging here, I just like to remind fence sitters like yourself of shite sandwich the TWU has served up for AA's AMTs over the last 30 years.  Good luck in Miami.

Exactly what fence am I sitting on?

 

[Roadking5560]

The one with all the slivers.

 

[iluvaa]

Exactly what fence am I sitting on?

you are a complete liar about the AMFA organizers in TUL and about them not wanting the osms.

 

[Badwlmson]

you are a complete liar about the AMFA organizers in TUL and about them not wanting the osms.

First of all, dont call me a liar unless you can prove differently, which you can't. Secondly don't ever call me a liar period. And lastly, I can tell you that Mr amfa himself Dave Stewart and a buddy of his in the gearbox shop did EXACTLY what I said. And you are exactly the amfa supporter type I spoke about earlier. It's jerks like you that turn people off about it.

 

[Rogallo]

Rogallo,
Flip flopped? On what? I enever said I was opposed to member choice. The fact is that many organizations you vote for the top leadership and the pick the team that will help them get the job done. If the questions is about ATD rep recommendations then that's what a resolution is for. You do understand what the difference is between a resolution and a motion is don't you?

 
Yes, I've never heard you say you're opposed to democracy. But your obvious view of the TWU has changed with the new regime. Now you want accountability?
 
And no, I don't know the difference between a motion and a resolution. Please explain. I might just bring it up at the next union meeting if I think it will do any good.
 
You're out of order, brother!  

 

[DNTULSA]

Next union meeting?
 
You are out of order, Brother!!

 

[Buck]

Badwlmson,
 
Please explain to me how the mechanics can be united under the tWU unmbrella where Fleet Service holds the majority or at the TWU International where the Air Transport Division is a pimple on the ass of the Bus division and Train division? Explain to me how you would ever conceive that any entity where they are out numbered even in a democracy can achieve anything of value. This is the main reason to leave the TWU. The mechanics here and even the Fence Sitters fell for a mechanics contract, which we lost at the bankruptcy and through the democratic developement of the Association. The TWU is a Socialists regime where even in theory is the same. A utopian union where a mechanic and a fleet service clerk are compensated the same and where even here in TUL the facility mechanic is compensated more than an aircraft mechanic at the base level. The attempt of the mechanics to separate internally from the TWU structure has led to non aircraft mechanics being compensated to overcome the A&P Licensing? Even a machinist who has the contracual ability to displace junior aircraft mechanics and a relatively new skill premium because everyone in any form of maintenance is an AMT. The Stock Clerk having full sick pay on the first day and being for many years being in the highest pay levels in their profession, which I have been informed , in no longer the case. Why don't you start your own union and if it is as democratic as the Pilots and Flight Attendants and even AMFA then I will sign with you. 
 
Above all else please explain how other than solidarity under a union whose entire goal is to fund the Democrats in Washington through the AFL-CIO, to create a representitive is there fro the mechanic?

 

[700UW]

At the IAM, Transportation is the largest department.

 

[Tim Nelson]

At the IAM, Transportation is the largest department.

and thats good as this is the industry to be in. The wn contract was great when it was signed, and im currently under the best iam contract ive been under, although the industry passed it up.

That said, my main gripe is that we should be in negotiations prior to January. How long it will take thereafter will be up yo a fair agreement. But the LUS side dont need to rush as we have scope.

regards,

 

[iluvaa]

First of all, dont call me a liar unless you can prove differently, which you can't. Secondly don't ever call me a liar period. And lastly, I can tell you that Mr amfa himself Dave Stewart and a buddy of his in the gearbox shop did EXACTLY what I said. And you are exactly the amfa supporter type I spoke about earlier. It's jerks like you that turn people off about it.

Ill stick with my original comment LIAR. keyboard warrior.